July 20th, 2006

Mac vs. PC: When a Picture’s Worth a Thousand Words

Sometimes a picture is really worth a thousand words.
Source: Worth1000.com (what else?)

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255 comments to "Mac vs. PC: When a Picture’s Worth a Thousand Words"

Rob says:

Brilliant! haha…

/PC guy
//don’t really care what you use, though…

July 20th, 2006 at 4:33 pm
Catherine says:

the mac guy has a gun too, but it doesn’t run on his OS.

July 20th, 2006 at 4:35 pm
JamesDeSimas says:

I’m tired of those snobby ads. Macs aren’t virus and fail proof. Nor do they work with everything out of the box. It’s hell to find mac drivers as well.

July 20th, 2006 at 4:36 pm
Aaron says:

James — Although there are no viruses on the Mac OS X platform, the ads don’t say Macs are “fail proof”. They also don’t say everything will work “out of the box” — it’s that many devices (in their example, digital cameras) don’t need drivers. The devices that need drivers are usually included on the CD with the device, but they are few and far between. Most devices, including a Belkin 802.11G card I purchased from Fry’s and didn’t say anything about Mac compatibility, worked just fine after installation… no drivers needed.

July 20th, 2006 at 4:39 pm
AfroX says:

From http://www.securemac.com/;

“2.16.2006 News
Mac OS X Virus Alert - Sophos Anti Virus has found the first ‘real virus’ for Mac OS X known as OSX/Leap-A or OSX/Oompa-A. The OSX/Leap worm or trojan is spread via instant messenger forwarding itself as a file named ‘latestpics.tgz’. When launched the worm attempts to spread via iChat sending itself to the users buddy list. The application will also try to infect the recently used applications.”

/Your Mac has a runny nose.

July 20th, 2006 at 4:50 pm
Anon E. Mouse says:

Zero Viruses.
Zero Spyware.
Nearly Uncrashable.
Easier to use than my toaster.
And if you’re a geek (I am), its BSD shell is more powerful than Windows by far.

Whats not to love?
Why do stupid people hate the Mac?

Just give it a try … sheesh.. Oh and yeah, the commercials are amusing to me. I know people that wont consider a Mac because “they suck”, but will ask me (because Im a programmer) for help on myriad issues relating to Windows garbage that would never occur on a Mac.

Is the root of annoyance truth?

/Theres no way in the world I’d pay my bills online (CC info etc..) using Windows
// Just sayn.

July 20th, 2006 at 4:53 pm
GrrMoof says:

At least the PC guy isn’t some trendy, pole-smoking fucktard who pays a 40% premium for overheating, whining, discolored hardware with only one fucking mouse button…

July 20th, 2006 at 4:53 pm
AaronBain says:

Yah, and like… ya know.. there’s no such thing as idiot user on a nix core os… that leaves their systems open to…like….ya know….virusthingies…

Or sumptin like that..

The reality is that no OS is foolproof or safe, it takes an educated individual that runs it to make it so. ALL OS’ have security holes in them, so no high horses here, sposed to be a funny thing… or does buying a Mac also require you turn in your humor card?

July 20th, 2006 at 4:55 pm
Melina says:

FARKED!!!!

July 20th, 2006 at 4:55 pm
Furo says:

Um… OS X is 100% virus-free today, by the way. Even Symantec admitted as much, and they have the most at stake. Does that mean that Macs can’t be attacked? Only a fool would believe so.

That said, I support all operating systems for various reasons. Anyone that doesn’t like or support an OS “because it sucks” is ignorant and certainly not a true technology professional. They all have their place due to their relative strengths and weaknesses.

-Furo

July 20th, 2006 at 4:55 pm
Anon E. Mouse says:

Awh! I sense hetero-identity/economic problems with GrrMoof! LOL!

Its ok dude, just come out!

July 20th, 2006 at 4:55 pm
Walter E. Wallis says:

Mac - the computer for people who can get others to pay for it.

July 20th, 2006 at 4:56 pm
John says:

i’ve seen that perpetuated FUD the last thousand times MacOSX security. The virus/worm fails simply because it still requires your “authentication” in order for it to “launch” and infect your files.

July 20th, 2006 at 4:56 pm
davesilvan says:

***The OSX/Leap worm or trojan is spread via instant messenger forwarding itself as a file named ‘latestpics.tgz’.***

.tgzs don’t self extract, and you gotta be a moron to set it up that way, and we both have our morons.

July 20th, 2006 at 4:59 pm
davesilvan says:

ps who the fuck uses ichat?

July 20th, 2006 at 5:00 pm
laurens says:

smart people sukc

July 20th, 2006 at 5:00 pm
APEX says:

Problem with macs…what I get out of the box is all it is. I can’t pop the lid off of it and modify things. I can’t overclock it. I can’t pop out the CPU and stick another one in it. I can’t buy the parts and build it myself and save money. I can’t see if the ASUS board has better performance than the PCChips board. Its Mac. Mac in a box. No mods, no overclocking, no better aftermarket hardware. It takes the fun out of computers and makes it into just an appliance, with no more ability to open up and mess with than my toaster. Hell I think you can’t even get the lid off of some of them without special tools.

July 20th, 2006 at 5:02 pm
DARRRR! says:

Aaron is perfect proof of why everyone hates smug ass mac users.

July 20th, 2006 at 5:02 pm
Philbo says:

http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php?d=20060513

/owned

July 20th, 2006 at 5:06 pm
Vinyl Overgroove says:

Ah yes, the old “my computer’s better than yours” discussion.
Here’s a newsflash: They’re 99.9% identical. You sound like a bunch of star trek fans arguing over what’s better - romulan ale or romulan lager. Fark you all with your O/S axes to grind. Go outside and breath some fresh air, pet a dog, get laid.
You make me sick.

July 20th, 2006 at 5:06 pm
SwarmyFellow says:

I thought the Platform Religious Wars ended eons ago, at least among the enlightened… Use a PC, use a Mac, use Linux, use UNIX, use whatever you need to use to get the job done. Every platform has its strengths and weaknesses. Get over yourselves.

July 20th, 2006 at 5:07 pm
Char says:

Ya know, the reason there are no viruses for macs is out of sympathy. Sometimes, even the lowest of the low realize that a persons mere existance is punishment enough and that adding to their pain would just be… wrong in some fundamental way.

Face it, the Mac is pretty much the hardware version of AOL. It does a couple of thing pretty well, but the reason someone gets such a thing is because they are too lazy or inept to actually figure out how to work with something REAL.

July 20th, 2006 at 5:08 pm
Andre Richardson says:

I love how whiny Windows users get when Apple decides to poke fun at them. Awww… poor Windows users. You’re so persecuted. You’ll have to huddle together for protection from us big bad Mac and Linux users. Boo hoo.

And those of you claiming that the ads say Macs are invulnerable or can’t get viruses, clean your ears out. The ads say nothing of the sort.

July 20th, 2006 at 5:09 pm
Upriser says:

macs are for jews and liberals

July 20th, 2006 at 5:10 pm
E Pettis says:

“Face it, the Mac is pretty much the hardware version of AOL.”

AOL serves the lowest common denominator.

Windows serves the lowest common denominator.

July 20th, 2006 at 5:12 pm
capt. zurg says:

“macs are for jews and liberals”

Well, macs and education.

July 20th, 2006 at 5:13 pm
Furo says:

“The OSX/Leap worm or trojan is spread via instant messenger…”

A virus is different from a worm. Not only that, but that particular worm does not exploit the operating system, per se… it exploits a fault in an application, and it really doesn’t even do that very well.

-Furo

July 20th, 2006 at 5:14 pm
Eric Chen says:

I hope the PC remembered to download the drivers for his gun.

And reboot.

July 20th, 2006 at 5:15 pm
Frustrated with mindless pro-mac individuals/Same for mindless windows people says:

SHUT UP. I’ve used a dual processor mac G5, The new iMac, the Macbook, Macbook pro, I’ve used a lot of macs. Are they beautiful, yeah. Are they stable, for the most part. Does the OS look nice, the GUI is sweet. HOWEVER. It’s NOT virusproof, hacker proof, spyware proof. I’m sick of people being like, “oh, well, I’m a programmer blah, blah, blah, and I’m here to say that Macs rule.” Ok, shut up. I know 4 programming languages, HTML, build computers and everything. I do Photoshop , Premier, and other programs. Mac’s are ok. They aren’t perfect, or Fort Knox’s for security. It’s SUCH a montra. Yeah, you keep saying that, maybe it’ll become true…. NOT. I have owned my computer for 3 years now. No viruses EVER, no anti virus protection. No popups, no problems with security at all. Wanna guess what OS I’m running. OS 10.4……no no no…XP Pro. That’s right, no problems here. So, shut up about macs being perfect…. I’m sooo sick of people saying they are. You’re MINDLESS FOOLS. Ever heard of the game lemmings? haha, yeah, that’s you. If apple went off a cliff, you’d follow mindlessly to your doom. Wake up, don’t be “Label Loyal”, and just look at things for what they are. Stop just getting mac because you thinks it’s the best. Window users, same to us. Don’t knock the mac until you’ve tried it. You like it, ditch windows and get it. Just don’t me mindless.

July 20th, 2006 at 5:17 pm
Altoid says:

PC users like to watch porn on their computers.

MAC users like to have sex with their computers.

July 20th, 2006 at 5:19 pm
Furo says:

“I can’t pop the lid off of it and modify things. I can’t overclock it. I can’t pop out the CPU and stick another one in it.”

99.2% of computer purchasers don’t give a rip. Technology changes so dramatically over the 2-4 year typical lifespan of a computer that it’s not economically worth upgrading individual components anyway. And when was the last time a business larger than four PCs and a printer upgraded just the CPUs of their machines once a year? Doesn’t happen, my friend. Us geeks are the only ones that do such things, and we do not drive the large-scale PC market in the least. We’re a niche, at best.

-Furo

July 20th, 2006 at 5:21 pm
Mindless Windows Bigot says:

“macs are for jews and liberals”

Like Rush Limbaugh and Tom Clancy? Rabid and loyal Mac users.

You sir, are an idiot.

July 20th, 2006 at 5:22 pm
Furo says:

I hope the PC remembered to download the drivers for his gun.

And reboot.

ROFL… You win.

Sure, it’s just another pseudo-accurate generalization, but it was still damn funny.

-Furo

July 20th, 2006 at 5:26 pm
Access says:

Awesome!

July 20th, 2006 at 5:32 pm
smed says:

At least the PC guy isn’t some trendy, pole-smoking fucktard who pays a 40% premium for overheating, whining, discolored hardware with only one fucking mouse button…

Comment by GrrMoof — July 20, 2006 @ 4:53 pm

GrrMoof -

Holy $h!t dude, I nearly wet myself laughing.
Thanks for a smile.

July 20th, 2006 at 5:37 pm
Kevin says:

I am a PC user and I find Macs useless for anything other than light video editing. Sure, they have respectable video capabilities, but I find that’s their only advantage. PCs are far more compatible with software and you can actually modify them to keep up with changing technology. Macs seem to stagnate to the point where you are almost required to buy the newest system as it comes out. It is possible to up the memory in a Mac (an iMac as I’ve had experience) but removing their plastic caripace of fruit-colored ignorance hating plastic is a pain in the arse. Both Macs and PCs have their advantages, but I stick by my PCs unwaveringly because of their unmatched ease of use and upgrading abilities, assuming you know how to actually use a computer. ^-^

July 20th, 2006 at 5:38 pm
Cameron at Laugh It Off says:

The guy in this comic may be a Mac user or a PC user. YOu can decide.

http://www.laughitoff.info/archive.php?Comic=ComputerTrouble

July 20th, 2006 at 5:41 pm
pikachew says:

APPLE IIE 4 LIFE MUTHASUCKAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

July 20th, 2006 at 5:48 pm
hdhale says:

Actually the reason there are no serious virus threats to Macs is not because there is something inherently superior to the OS. The reason is because Macs are such a small portion of the market. If your goal as a hacker is to get noticed in the “community” for creating something gets spread worldwide, you start with something Windows based, not Mac based.

As for Macs being easy to use “out of the box”, remember that you’re buying a PC from the maker of the OS. It *should* work that easily. Unfortunately for most users, the problems begin when you start looking for software. Even today not all software comes in a Mac version, including most computer games. Even when there is a Mac version, the PC version gernally runs months ahead in development.

I’m not trying to bash Macs here necessarily, but there’s nothing superior about a Mac (oh and btw, when they “blue screen” they just freeze…which is in some ways worse). It’s really mostly Honda vs. Nissan…if Honda had an over 80% market share.

July 20th, 2006 at 5:49 pm
Misa says:

Like Rush Limbaugh and Tom Clancy? Rabid and loyal Mac users.

But who would want to be in the same categoery as Rush Limbaugh? You may as well tell me that Ann Coulter also supports the Mac system.

Personally, I prefer PCs to Mac. PCs are hardier machines, and more useful in a public setting than Macs are. My HS used to run on the Mac OS. These were brand new computers, never been used a day in their lives. Completely useless within three years, from all of the crap put onto them. However, the PCs that my former college used, both the new and the more-than-five-year-old ones? Still fast and powerful.

I also support the PC because of these insipid Mac commercials. Really, the Mac guy is a douchebag. I know who’d I trust more with my computing needs, in this scenario.

July 20th, 2006 at 5:53 pm
cray says:

Aaron - Although you need to research things before you post like you know what you’re talking about (OSX/Leap-A, OSX/Inqtana-A), you can thank the Mach and BSD for the security of OS X. That and it’s low market share…

The damage that can be done with a portion of 89% of all networked systems is much heavier than with a full 4%.

July 20th, 2006 at 5:56 pm
Steezy says:

I work for Apple…so I am really getting a kick out of most of these replies…

July 20th, 2006 at 6:00 pm
John says:

hdhale - Security through obscurity on macs is a myth. The fact is that there hasn’t been a single virus on OSX since 2000. If windows owns 90% of the market and has 400,000 virus/exploits since eg. 2000 than by proportion, macs (assuming 5%) should have at least 20,000 virus/exploits. The fact is… the actual number is

July 20th, 2006 at 6:04 pm
Kings says:

Wheres the penguin in all this… I want to see the linux penguin!

July 20th, 2006 at 6:06 pm
Skitch says:

Uh, can’t overclock them or mess with ‘em? I overclocked my Dual G4 tower by 50 percent…flashed some cheap pc video cards and turned ‘em into mac cards…

macs are great for people who want to mess around with the guts of their system. I do it all the time.

July 20th, 2006 at 6:07 pm
Furo says:

Completely useless within three years, from all of the crap put onto them. - I also support the PC because of these insipid Mac commercials

Yeah… good reasons there. People install software on them and you don’t like the TV commercials. With thinking like that, you’ll make a fine IT middle manager. It’s obvious, you are literally making up reasons not to like the Mac… and they’re not even good ones.

As for the hardiness issue, Apple has always used higher quality hardware, and the typical reason PCs are often in “public” settings is because they’re cheaper to replace when the “public” destroys them. Apple doesn’t play in the commodity computer market. They never have, but the most common failing is comparing Macs with $299 bargain basement PCs. You aren’t getting the same thing by any stretch.

-Furo

July 20th, 2006 at 6:12 pm
Scott says:

The Mac guy would be cooler if the Jeepers Creepers guy would punch a hole through his gut and hollow out is ocular cavities.

July 20th, 2006 at 6:15 pm
Kings says:

You mean like buying the mobo you want with the cpu your looking for -$1000 beacuse its its not in a wite box with an apple on it

July 20th, 2006 at 6:16 pm
GetOverIt___Suse 10 says:

It’s really a coin-flip anymore. Mac or PC, PC or Mac……Why not get the best of both worlds and go with one of many flavors of Linux?? Anyone used Suse 10 lately?? with Xgl and compriz you get all the effects that Windows Vista promises but you can use existing hardware. Vista will require you upgrade to mostly new hardware in order to run “Aero” effects. And Mac, sheesh, why pay that much for a system that, honestly, can’t keep up with itself in the next 2 years. Open source, folks, get with it and be free.

July 20th, 2006 at 6:17 pm
Bob_the_Troll says:

I work for Microsoft…so I am really getting a kick out of most of these replies…

July 20th, 2006 at 6:19 pm
piltdown says:

I’m a gamer.

Macs suck.

July 20th, 2006 at 6:20 pm
Sir Holo says:

APEX

I’ll bet you drive a 1976 Mustang.

July 20th, 2006 at 6:32 pm
Doesn'tmatter says:

First off, there really is no such thing as a mac anymore, it’s BSD running on i86 hardware with a crippled front end. If you really want the ‘mac experience’ it would be more worthwhile to build yourself a PC and install OSX on the bloody thing. It would cost 75% or less then the price of an equivalent mac. Also, you get all the upgradability and overclockability of a PC. Want to install water-cooling or phase-change? No problem, it’s standard hardware with a stupid front end.

Don’t get me wrong, I understand where macs are coming from, I just don’t find them suitable for almost any serious computing need. Most distros of linux or BSD are more secure simply due to their update schedule and open source nature. With portage or apt-get it’s easy to find most any package that you need, as opposed to the ridiculously painful process of finding or writing drivers for non-standard hardware in OSX.

July 20th, 2006 at 6:33 pm
GetOverIt___Suse 10 says:

Ditto Doesn’tmatters comment

July 20th, 2006 at 6:36 pm
IT Guy says:

I’m always amused that so many bloggers and journalists assume that these ads are poking fun at PC *users*. They’re the personification of the *machine*. It’s light-hearted tweaking, not mean-spirited ridicule. I think the ads are among Apple’s best yet, and yes, it’s high time Apple made hay with it’s security position. The records speak for themselves. If Windows was a plane, you’d be afraid to fly in it. The scarey thing now is that the whole security game has changed. The bad guys want to own your PC without you knowing it–steal identity info off of it, attack other computers, serve up porn and warez. If you think I’m exaggerating, you’re in denial.

July 20th, 2006 at 6:37 pm
Educate_Yourselves says:

I might as well have the last word here. MACS RUN WINDOWS NOW. Game over. End of discussion. And when Apple releases Leopard at the end of the year, chances are that OS X will run Windows apps. natively. I use PC’s and Macs within my company, as do most of my employees. In fact, I make it mandatory that all of those employed at my office, which is about 225 right now, to have a comprehensive understanding of both systems. Nearly all of them were PC faithfuls prior to working for me and now nearly all of them prefer Macs. It’s simple. Both systems are great but Macs are clearly the winner when it comes to productivity and ease of use. Now that software is no longer an issue; now that Macs use Intel processors, the playing field has been evened out. Apples numbers say it all. Mac sales are up 46% over last year. In my long career in graphic design and marketing, I’ve seen time and time again that once you go Mac, you never go back. Microsoft, eat your heart out- Apple is back and it wants to be the industry leader like it was before.

And to all you Mac bashers- shut your mouths, educate yourselves and pay attention- if it weren’t for Apple, Microsoft would not exist in its current capacity. Apple invented the personal computer as we know it and they are the only ones who have been continually commited to reinventing it over and over again. The only thing innovative to come out of Microsoft’s labs in the last decade has been the Xbox and if the multi-million unit recalls on their second attempt (360) are any indication, they’re not doing so well.

Unless you’ve used both systems side by side for years, you have NO RIGHT voicing your opionion on either one. I have. And the results are clear- Apple makes better products in terms of quality, durability, design, ease of use and lifestyle. Nobody ever says they love their Dell, but EVERY Mac user loves their Mac.

July 20th, 2006 at 6:37 pm
Educate_Yourselves says:

I might as well have the last word here. MACS RUN WINDOWS NOW. Game over. End of discussion. And when Apple releases Leopard at the end of the year, chances are that OS X will run Windows apps. natively. I use PC’s and Macs within my company, as do most of my employees. In fact, I make it mandatory that all of those employed at my office, which is about 225 right now, to have a comprehensive understanding of both systems. Nearly all of them were PC faithfuls prior to working for me and now nearly all of them prefer Macs. It’s simple. Both systems are great but Macs are clearly the winner when it comes to productivity and ease of use. Now that software is no longer an issue; now that Macs use Intel processors, the playing field has been evened out. Apples numbers say it all. Mac sales are up 46% over last year. In my long career in graphic design and marketing, I’ve seen time and time again that once you go Mac, you never go back. Microsoft, eat your heart out- Apple is back and it wants to be the industry leader like it was before.

And to all you Mac bashers- shut your mouths, educate yourselves and pay attention- if it weren’t for Apple, Microsoft would not exist in its current capacity. Apple invented the personal computer as we know it and they are the only ones who have been continually commited to reinventing it over and over again. The only thing innovative to come out of Microsoft’s labs in the last decade has been the Xbox and if the multi-million unit recalls on their second attempt (360) are any indication, they’re not doing so well.

Unless you’ve used both systems side by side for years, you have NO RIGHT voicing your opionion on either one. I have. And the results are clear- Apple makes better products in terms of quality, durability, design, ease of use and lifestyle. Nobody ever says they love their Dell, but EVERY Mac user loves their Mac.

July 20th, 2006 at 6:38 pm
Educate_Yourselves says:

Excuse the double post- my kid just knocked my chair and I double clicked.

July 20th, 2006 at 6:39 pm
Eno says:

Anon E. Mouse is the reason we not only hate macs but also the assh0le mac users who erroneously believe they’re better than us and have no problem faggily waving their little balls at us.

/you’re not.
//not even close.

July 20th, 2006 at 6:41 pm
Ace25 says:

I am so tired of seeing people throw “Macs run Windows” crap around lately…. Sheash, OSX has been running on PCs longer than Windows has been running on Macs. You know what, BOTH have possitives and negatives.

At home, I run Windows and OSX on my P4 3.2G. On the road I own a Macbook Pro and run both OSX and Windows. There are issues either way. Windows does NOT run smoothly on a Macbook Pro, driver support is just not there. OSX on a PC is the same issue. So yes, both PCs and Macs run BOTH Windows and OSX.. neither do it very well at this time.

And gimme a break, Mac made the personal computer what it is.. Atari, Commodore, IBM, and Xerox also contributed to the PC beign what it is today. Apple didn’t do it alone. They stole just as much out of PARC as MS did and both have been wining about what each other stole ever since.

July 20th, 2006 at 6:46 pm
vinrock says:

“Why do stupid people hate the Mac?”

It’s BSD shell is -what- compared to a Win box? Why not just run BSD instead of OSX or Win? Or (suspense…) DUALBOOT! NO Virii you say? NO Spyware? Easier than your toaster? You’re simply clueless.

Macs are built to appeal to geeks like yourself who like to put on makeup and play dress. Otherwise you’d have had the time to learn this.

There is your answer, ya r33t fag.

July 20th, 2006 at 6:54 pm
Jerry says:

This reminds me of the old VHS v BetaMax arguments. In the end, use what fucking pleases you ok? I’m not going to get into the whole “Macs are better than Windows machines” argument. On the plus side, Windows supports scads more programs than Mac. Mac has it’s advantages, Windows machines have their advantages.

Deal with it. Nothing to see here. Move along.

July 20th, 2006 at 6:59 pm
Bill Gates' mom says:

Microsoft’s labs in the last decade has been the Xbox and if the multi-million unit recalls on their second attempt (360) are any indication, they’re not doing so well.
===
Link please. There is no recall of the Xbox 360. Typical mac-tard talking out of their ass. The only thing macs are better for is spending 50% more on a computer than you need to. Congrats, dumb asses.

July 20th, 2006 at 7:00 pm
Brandon says:

I don’t think people who are pro mac have ever heard of maintaining their computer, or a video card.

July 20th, 2006 at 7:01 pm
Jerry says:

Oh, and the whole bit with Mac expounding on all the fun things it can do while Microsoft is talking about doing spreadsheets etc, give me a fucking break!

There are plenty of games for both machines. Big whoop!

July 20th, 2006 at 7:01 pm
exablaze says:

Well, anything with a GUI is Disneyworld. If you want to see someone else’s version of what a “computer” is, go for it. However, if you want to get to reality, don’t load the GUI. The command line is true computing. Don’t be fooled by Plato’s cave.

July 20th, 2006 at 7:06 pm
Marc says:

I have a Dell and a imac G5 and there is no comparison, the mac is better.

July 20th, 2006 at 7:08 pm
Kings says:

I think you were referring to the IBM pc that shaped the world.
and yes i love my dell laptop, no other laptops else except barebones are as easy to take apart and put back together add in the avalibilty of parts it just cant be beat. If you realy want to get into a discussion over apple and dell you should plainly see that they were fairly similar, Both make there own propiatary mobos, both have intel CPUs, both reqire you to buy company certified upgrade parts, both run windows, both are expensive if you want a good computer and both advertize that there computers are great for multimedia. The difference is that dell bought alienware to appeal to gamers and started too distibute linux for some servers. anyone that wants a good kick look at:
http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/29/apple-os-x-appears-on-dells-driver-downloads

P.S. dell did take it off their site

July 20th, 2006 at 7:10 pm
Turd Burgler says:

I have a computer and it has the Interweb on it. It’s the best. Who’s Mac?

July 20th, 2006 at 7:28 pm
eatme says:

PC Users will never win this arguement. The only arguement a PC user will ever win is “Mac users are either graphic artist’s or homo’s”.

July 20th, 2006 at 7:32 pm
haha says:

Furo needs his hand held while on the computer.

July 20th, 2006 at 7:33 pm
Bill (Mike Jobs smokes poles) Gates says:

Unfortunately all the ranting I could do about why those commercials are bullshit, why Mac users are usually uneducated, and why PC’s are better would not fit within the space alloted…

July 20th, 2006 at 7:37 pm
billy, age six says:

my mom said to not make fun of mac people one day because she said i should like people because they are different and then she got me ice cream i love my mom one day a pc user cut my mom off on the highway and yelled at her out of a blue window pc users are rude

billy age six

July 20th, 2006 at 7:47 pm
hogger says:

I have owned, setup, maintained, developed on, played games on, practically every type of home computer and OS that has come along since around 1978. Including apple ][, sinclair, commodores, atari STs, original apple macs, dos 3.x-6, win3.1 through XP, os X, tons of flavors of linux and bsd, unix, netware, aix, os2, and probably others that I’ve just forgotten. You mac bashers with your emotional pleas and insults are just idiots, pure and simple. You have no idea what you’re talking about. You think you do, some of you think you’re l337 because you’ve overclocked your athlon, or reinstalled windows a thousand times since January, but you’ve just got your head up your ass so far you can’t see daylight.

With that said, here’s some free education:

OS X is a more stable OS than anything MS has ever released

linux is a more stable OS than anything MS has ever released

MS and linux developers have stolen a shitload of ideas from OSX

MS and Apple have stolen a shitload of ideas from linux

Apple and linux developers have reverse engineered proprietary and overcomplicated MS protocols in order to coexist with
windows

if it weren’t for game developers kissing MS ass and ignoring apple and linux, practically every poor real geek would have converted to linux years ago, the rich ones to apple

if it weren’t for MS exploiting their monopoly with non-publically-documented file formats for MSAccess jet, .doc, .xls, .ppt, and network protocols for exchange+outlook, many many more businesses would have left MS years ago because there would have been alternatives that would allow for smooth migration away from MS

These things are facts. I’m sure there are other facts that are maybe more relevent than these, but that’s for you narrow-minded MS zealots to figure out and present.

What I’ve said is true, and you know it. Take it like a man. Even if you’re a MS-loving chick, take it like a man.

July 20th, 2006 at 7:53 pm
Tusker says:

OMG I love those ads. Put more of them out Stevie! Run em 24/7

Then again I make a lot of extra cash consulting on those crashless, virusless machines. $75 an hour and more people with problems all the time. I love it.

I may not be the most neutral on this one tho.

July 20th, 2006 at 7:57 pm
APEX says:

Sir_Holo … Actually its a 1968 Plymouth Valiant.

July 20th, 2006 at 7:58 pm
Alice says:

The Mac guy is wearing a piece.

July 20th, 2006 at 8:04 pm
sanguinalis says:

Not th throw more gas on the fire but Mac is THE STANDARD in video and music editing. Go to any major movie studio, any music studio and you will see a mac. Why? Because it does it better. I used to a PC guy all the way. I loved Windows and I loved the PC. I still love the PC, but only when it’s running Linux. I like the make for the same reason I love Linux. Security, stability and more power. Oh, I know, all you MS lovers out there swear up and down that Windows does more. Really it doesn’t. I get more performance out of my hardware than I would ever see running Windows. Hands down. Windows is bloated, and completely unsecure. Windows 98 was more secure than XP and Symantic is already saying Vista is even worse.

July 20th, 2006 at 8:05 pm
tim says:

At least the PC guy isn’t some trendy, pole-smoking fucktard who pays a 40% premium for overheating, whining, discolored hardware with only one fucking mouse button…

Comment by GrrMoof — July 20, 2006 @ 4:53 pm

GrrMoof -

Holy $h!t dude, I nearly wet myself laughing.
Thanks for a smile.

Comment by smed — July 20, 2006 @ 5:37 pm

i concur, therefore i must post this again to remind everyone that “pole-smoking fucktard” describes that guy to a T. don’t believe me? just scroll back up and look at the picture again and think “pole-smoking fucktard”. come on. don’t deny it. i think it’s that lame ass jacket… the kind i stopped wearing in 3rd grade.

July 20th, 2006 at 8:12 pm
billy, age six says:

It’s really quite silly to argue over something that you had absolutely no role in the creation of, for example, PC users arguing pro-PC, or Mac users arguing pro-Mac. It’s not like you’re defending your own work.

I own a PC desktop with XP and Debian, and a Mac laptop. My PC was ‘inexpensive’, but it works fine, can handle all of the games I want to play, can dual boot, and so on and so forth.

I enjoy to use my powerbook for most everything else. I think any claims of a ‘lack of functionality’ are rather vacuous. It’s fine.

Try being flexible for once…

July 20th, 2006 at 8:15 pm
Furo is really Cheney says:

FURO WROTE:
“99.2% of computer purchasers don’t give a rip. Technology changes so dramatically over the 2-4 year typical lifespan of a computer that it’s not economically worth upgrading individual components anyway. And when was the last time a business larger than four PCs and a printer upgraded just the CPUs of their machines once a year? Doesn’t happen, my friend. Us geeks are the only ones that do such things, and we do not drive the large-scale PC market in the least. We’re a niche, at best.”

Way to fabricate a statistic there…

You’ve contradicted your self quiet well there Furo ole chum.

Technology changes… but not all parts of technology… piece by piece it advances… therefore, single upgrades can be a viable way to achieve “up to date” performance. But you wouldn’t have a slight clue about this being such a Mactard.

The avid technological professional does not drive the Mac Industry…

The rich white ignoramus who have money, and really dont know wtf they want so they get a Mac… because “Mac’s are so easy a retard could use it” they figure that it is right up their alley.

Sorry … but I dont give a rats nad about mac nor windows… and you know what they say about teh Special Olympics… well thats a top notch analogy for this age old discussion, for it will not matter who wins… you’re both fuckin retarded.

/nerf shamans

July 20th, 2006 at 8:17 pm
Pepeloco says:

What’s the greatest difference between Windows and Macs? Microsoft is a monopoly, Apple is a dictatorship. Why did the PC win the market battle all those years ago? Was it the best platform? Hell no. Did it have the best OS? ROTFL. Was the x86 the best chip? Not by a light year. So why? Because IBM, in their only moment of clarity in the past 100 years, invented FREEDOM. They opened the platform so everyone could build an IBM compatible computer. Don’t like Intel chips and motherboards? Buy AMD. Don’t like a mouse with 2 buttons? Buy one with 5. Don’t like nVidia? Try ATI. Etc. Etc. Etc. Prior to that, all computer companies where dictatorships. You bought their computer, you had to buy everything from them. The memory, the mouse, the keyboards, the monitor, even the printers, and specially all the software. No freedom. Apple still thinks that way. You can only buy the Big Brother approved Apple systems at Big Brother approved stores, with Big Brother approved peripherals in the Big Brother approved configurations at the Big Brother approved prices. Apple is the Cuba of computer manufacturers: a troglodytic caveman whose existence serves only to remind us what happens when we lose our freedom.

July 20th, 2006 at 8:29 pm
Uncle Gropey says:

1: Macs don’t suck, but do cost more for what you get.
2: Don’t tempt the blackhats by saying that Macs are virus-proof. They aren’t. PC Linux users, this goes for you too.
3: Windows doesn’t suck, but understand that when you use it, that your machine faces a constant assault from internet viri/worms/trojans/spyware/adware/malware. Keep your OS updated, use some 3rd party security software, a hardware firewall, and just a little bit of common sense, mmkay?
4: Zeppelin rules \M/ !!111eleven!

July 20th, 2006 at 8:29 pm
Uncle Gropey says:

Damn, Pepeloco… you effen nailed it.

July 20th, 2006 at 8:32 pm
hogger says:

I’ve got to admit, nothing about the PC worms, viruses, proprietary file formats, undocumented network protocols, expense, and cheap feature copycatting compares to the frustration that the mac guy’s jacket causes, or his pole smoking, or his fucktardedness. You guys really know how to win an argument. Too bad there’s not some kind of argument competition that you could compete in. You’d win every time, hands down. On behalf of all godless mac’n'linux loving intellectuals, you’ve got our respect.

July 20th, 2006 at 8:33 pm
chickenbob2002 says:

I love the new mac vs pc adds, they make me laugh and appeal to what people assume are the benefits of a mac and the negatives of a pc. That being said i would never buy a mac, mainly because i’m a pc fan, but also because comparitively macs are waaay more expensive than pcs

July 20th, 2006 at 8:33 pm
Uncle Gropey says:

The only arguement a PC user will ever win is “Mac users are either graphic artist’s or homo’s”.

Comment by eatme — July 20, 2006 @ 7:32 pm

That’s an either/or?

July 20th, 2006 at 8:47 pm
chris says:

Its not like betamax and vhs hard ware wise. One player is locking their software out from other hardware for no reason. Long long time ago, apple let the clones exist, back in the powerpc days. Now apple computers are x86 , no reason the os should be locked out from other x86. They offer nothing special hardware wise (other then the g5 while it last). They are not like dell as in they are marketing an os at the same time. Dell doesnt sey you gotta use dell os, its an x86 let ya run what you wanna run. And dont get me started on osX, me like KDE.

July 20th, 2006 at 8:50 pm
heh says:

heh. everyone knows mac is crap.

it’s like a volkswagen: shiny, overpriced, and appealing to the idiot upper middle class scenster with no common sense.

if Macs were actually better, they would have more than a 5% market share. Now, stop being stupid, mac users (i know it’s hard) but just because you are in the 5% minority doesnt mean you are elite.

it just means you are a senseless retard that overpaid for your bucket of dull discolored shit.

And dont bother trying to defend yourself anymore. you are just making yourself look even stupider.

oh yeah, and the douchebag in the commercial? you all look and act just like him.

everyone knows the amiga 500 was the best computer of all time.

:P

July 20th, 2006 at 8:58 pm
scott says:

I use a G5 at work. I use Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign, Flash, and email.

I am guarenteed at least one unknown error program crash per week. sometimes more. I have had days where Illustrator and InDesign crash multiple times.

The fact of the matter is, Macs are overpriced and underpowered. They suffer from the SAME issues of programs freezing/crashing.

Oh, and at the same processor speed, my PC out performs the G5 in a simple real world test of opening 100 large .tif images. The G5 takes about 4 minutes, the PC takes about 1min.

July 20th, 2006 at 9:02 pm
Edward says:

a few words on the pc or mac computers, mac may have been good years ago but now pc computer are better try and get programs from W-mart or anywhere, when you do get them they cost and you cannot update them like a pc, macs are cool if you like cute things, but the real work horse is now the pc, but hey you like what you like they both are bad and good and who knows in 10 years there may be other computers that do not use mac or pc stuff.

July 20th, 2006 at 9:03 pm
OSWAR FTW says:

I love macs, I really do. I want to buy one, but every time I try to price them they end up costing $1200 after tax! I can buy a car for that. Also that single mouse button thing… ouch. I still want a macbook though, even if the vga dongle (and all the other ones) cost $20/ea. Also those people who put web2.0 stickers all over their macs make me want to stab them in the face.

July 20th, 2006 at 9:06 pm
Kevin says:

Anyone who uses dell or aol in their arguments are null and void. Until you’ve built your own PC with whatever OS, you don’t know what you’re using.

By that same token, Macs are also solid machines, what matters is if they do what you want it to do.

July 20th, 2006 at 9:20 pm
hoskerdude says:

mac fanatics crack me up. that’s all

July 20th, 2006 at 9:26 pm
InfoSec Specialist says:

I work next door to one of Apple’s larger offices. Giant smug cloud floating over us. I like the Dell Workstation I have, the IBM Thinkpad T42, and the 9 homebuilt machines (1 of which *gasp* runs OSX)
I’ve been in Infosec for over 10 years and Macs are largely ignored because of the huge numbers of Windows targets. Now the guy in the commercial complains about all the Windows virus, yet goes on to say that Macs can run Windows too…hmmm.

Also, Flash 8 has a critical vulnerability out. Windows users can upgrade to 9 which fixes the issue that can cause hijack of your PC, but Mac users *can’t* and are vulnerable, because the Flash 9 release for Macs isn’t ready yet….lol

July 20th, 2006 at 9:34 pm
Andrew says:

Comments like this make me think that all Mac users do is search the internet for Mac vs. Windows discussion.
Macs are 5% of the market, and yet, in every PC versus Mac discussion, 100k mac users show up and start smelling their own farts.

July 20th, 2006 at 9:49 pm
mrsleep says:

I work for a small school district.
At our elementary school, we run mostly mac.
At teh high school we run 100% PC.
In the server closet? You bet there is NOTHING but PC in there.
You ever tried to build and run a mac server?

As for stability, they both crash, they both hang, they both have driver problems.

I think the real clincer is in availability of software and hardware.
Mac keyboard and mouse combo, $100.
PC keyboard and mouse combo, $30.
I pulled apart a macintosh that was 2 years old a few months ago, 4x DVD-ROM drive.
The adoption of the x86 architechture was just another admission by mac that their hardware is inferior.

I also like how there was a competition and people worked their nuts off to make Windows run on a mac, why arrn’t people doing the same thing to run OSX on a pc?

Macs have their uses, but I find them VERY limiting.
They are great if all you want is light multimedia, web surfing and word processing. And you dont want to know ANYTHING about how a computer works.
Get any deeper than that and you are probably going to be getting a PC.
http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php?d=20050608

July 20th, 2006 at 9:49 pm
GOD says:

hello! Microsoft drones.

fucking tardwads.

July 20th, 2006 at 9:57 pm
Jack says:

Reason I use Windows, is because of the gaming support and driver support.
Linux though, there is low amount of games, is still respected, for game servers.

Mac on the other hand, I don’t really see much a gamer could do with it.

Also things with the programs and stuff crashing, Windows and Linux are OSes operating on tons of different hardware and by different companies.
Apple on the other hand mostly handles only Apple software for Apple Computers, so it’s Natural that OSX would work great for something it was build for.

July 20th, 2006 at 10:29 pm
Anonymous says:

I used to work for Microsoft, as a lead software Engineer - I functioned within several groups dealing with most all common Microsoft products Recently, I applied at Apple… and accepted a role in a development group.

Many engineers are leaving Microsoft and going to other job places - as Microsoft has grown so unimaginative and stagnant, that they are not creative. Microsoft management routinely steals ideas or copies it competitors, rather than listening to the creative forces within.

Microsoft was worried when Jobs created NeXT… and later when NeXT became OS X. Now they are very worried. The company is actually in panic mode, as Vista has become so bloated and misshapen by the business forces.

Most people at Microsoft would take a job at Apple if offered. In the industry - Apple engineering is still thought of as the place to be truly cutting edge.

As a person of the industry for 15 years, and as someone who has now worked for both major companies… I can now say I am working for the one who clearly has the best product. Where Microsoft meetings always discussed profit and how to reduce costs and cut corners in development to make more… Apple’s first statement in any meeting is “Think about what the people need”

You will be seeing 2 companies switch places in the comming years. The stuff Apple is working on is lightyears ahead of anyone else — and it is all because of creativity.

I write this, from my Mac.

July 20th, 2006 at 11:01 pm
Jesus Christ says:

People are so freaking ignorant. I’ve had 3 computers with Windos operating systems and have never had a hacker,virus, or anything intrude. None of my friends with windows have any problems either. I donwnload all the time. The only thing I’ve had is a good time playing video games and watching videos. My current computer is 2.1 Ghz AMD and i’ve upgraded the ram and it runs better than my buddies 3.2 Ghz Intel. God get off your high horses.

July 20th, 2006 at 11:01 pm
Jesus Christ says:

I used to work for Microsoft, as a lead software Engineer. SO have I. I never saw ya in the office.

July 20th, 2006 at 11:03 pm
Longhorn says:

Exactly, Jack. A Mac is useless to me b/c I enjoy being able to play new games. If you’re a gamer, Macs aren’t for you.

July 20th, 2006 at 11:04 pm
the dude says:

Every time the commercials (and you guys) refer to ‘Mac’, you are really gloating about the benefits of the OS, not the hardware. The Mac hardware is undoubtedly inferior. Oh yeah, and you can run OSX on a PC if you try. Besides the fact that OSX is really no different (and definately not better) than the hundreds of versions of Linux you can run on your PC.

PC = Personal Computer
Mac = novelty fake computing machine made to look nice externally and please hipsters

July 20th, 2006 at 11:17 pm
Ray says:

Mac Users: The 5% of the World School who use a $100 box of craypas to draw a picture. PC Users: The other 95% happy with a $10 box of Crayolas. (It should be noted, that of that 5% of Mac Users, only 1% has actual talent to use craypas properly, to make a masterpiece.)

Now, I’m wholly willing to accept that Macs are The Standard for Video Editing and Artistic Crap (whether or not this is true), but being that I only have a crayon level interest in either subject, I’m pretty happy playing games on my PC, you know, when they first come out?

July 20th, 2006 at 11:35 pm
Sir Josmould Herringpole says:

Thanks to all you guys in the US for this wonderful display of overpowering intellect. So many interesting ways to say Naaa Naaa Na Naaa Naaa.

July 21st, 2006 at 12:13 am
Rory says:

Mac, Windows?

Ubuntu.

Have a nice day.

July 21st, 2006 at 12:13 am
Mike says:

I think Windows must be the best os of all time - why else would Bill Gates be the richest man in the world? GO MICROSOFT!!!!!

July 21st, 2006 at 12:18 am
Mike says:

oh yeah - what’s a “Windows”, anyhow?

July 21st, 2006 at 12:20 am
Ray says:

The man with the overcompensating title in his name, mocks the US for stunted intellect. You crazy non-US people crack me up.

Reply from:

King Baron Sir Overlord Master President Ray of the US (with laserbeams that shoot from his eyeballs).

July 21st, 2006 at 12:21 am
Carl says:

Threads like these bring out the poorly paid and illiterate. The fact is Mac users probably earn 3 times what a PC user earns. The top 5% of the population also earns over $100K a year, travels extensively and can buy anything they want. We have higher I.Q. scores, own more than one platform and none of our friends have “roommates” or live in apartment buildings.
Less than 5% of the population can drive a BMW or a Porsche. Suck it. I have 4 Macs and 3 PC’s.
Don’t cry because you can’t have the best. Get a better job instead.

July 21st, 2006 at 12:24 am
Susan says:

Frankly the Xbox 360 is even more foolproof then Mac or PC. LOL

July 21st, 2006 at 12:27 am
Ray says:

So… your computer is what defines you as a rich person? You mean if I switch to Mac now, I can have a $100K/yr job? And you got your facts from the Mac God, who art in PC Heaven? Or are you just making things up again, you know, being ‘creative’ like Mac people are. I’m sure you belong to Mensa. That and $5 will get a latte from Starbucks. I don’t need a better job to buy a Mac, just an overinflated sense of ego.

And less than 5% of the population can buy a Ferrari, BMWs and Porsches are like the Fords and Chevy’s of sports cars. Of course, less than 5% of that 5% can actually *drive* that Ferrari worth a damn. The rest smash up their Enzo Ferraris because they *can’t* drive them, even when they can afford them.

Your ‘fact’ about what computer users earn is not founded in anything.

The fact is, 80% of Mac users are elementary school children. You can clearly see this by visiting an elementary school. They have more Macs than you will own in a lifetime.

July 21st, 2006 at 12:35 am
JaJa_ says:

“Windows does NOT run smoothly on a Macbook Pro, driver support is just not there. OSX on a PC is the same issue.”

@60 Could it be because that’s an unsupported configuration?
And my experience with Bootcamp has been pretty solid (borrowed a MPB for a couple of days).

July 21st, 2006 at 12:42 am
Mike says:

Isn’t it true that the Mac was actually modeled after the Etch-A-Sketch? I think I read that somewhere. Oh, but I’m sure it was only based on the most EXPENSIVE Etch-A-Sketch on the market…with the really big knobs…

July 21st, 2006 at 12:54 am
Jeff says:

So many mac haters! Are you really that jealous?

I wanted to comment on the virus claim. First, the ad does not say that macs don’t get viruses, it says macs don’t get windows viruses. A technicality, yes, but do you really think that one trojan is equivalent to 100,000 windows viruses, some of which are capable of spreading autonomously? If so, please turn off your computer and go back to your padded cell.

I get it, you don’t like macs and you have never used one long enough to realize that what you are saying is propaganda. It’s getting really old, I don’t go and complain about exaggerations in Microsoft ads and I will continue refraining from doing so.

July 21st, 2006 at 1:02 am
Jeff says:

@”Frustrated with mindless pro-mac individuals/Same for mindless windows people”

4 Programming languages is nothing to brag about. I knew 4 languages when I was 13, and have friends who knew more languages at a younger age.

My *personal* opinion is that Unix-based environments are have more programmers per capita because Unix is a lot cheaper and friendlier to develop applications on than windows. On Windows visual studio costs a fortune ($500 back when I bought it back in my windows days), but on the mac (and linux, I’m not forgetting about linux) all of the “official” development tools are free.

July 21st, 2006 at 1:23 am
Christian says:

I agree with no. 51

Although Macs are good for video editing. I’ve used them quite a bit for that. I cannot be asked to relearn all the Photoshop shortcuts for Mac, so any of that sort of work remains on the PC.

July 21st, 2006 at 2:07 am
Myahon says:

Am i the only one who found the “Mac is more compatible” commercial misleading? We all know if you buy something, or dpwnload a program new it’s ten times more likely to be compatible for windows and NOT Mac.

While I’m at it. The “packaged software” commercial. Windows comes with assloads of free programs where as Mac comes with crappy services like I tunes where they try to sell you something.

Oh and I hate quicktime. It’s basicly spyware where you have to pay to maximize with annoyingly large file size and unable to stream video. I use VLC media player for my .mov files.

I have to use Macs at my job but I can’t stand them. I mean c’mon give me a right click button PLEASE! All we do is simple data entry, and it Mac bombs or freezes every day.

July 21st, 2006 at 3:20 am
arsinoe says:

you say mac-ato,i say mac-ato

let’s call the whole thing off!

July 21st, 2006 at 3:32 am
Me says:

NOTE TO READER: Do not read below here. ALT+F4/CTRL+W/killall lynx. You have lowered your IQ enough. Do not be tempted to The Dark Side. STOP READING NOW.

July 21st, 2006 at 4:07 am
Dennis says:

FYI,

I was a unix/windows admin for years when I finally got my hands on an iMac just after OSX came out.

Yes: They are hardier. A Properly setup mac will be virtually immune from stupidity viruses. Even my home machine has the proper protections. Virus Protection is basically putting a password on your system.

Yes: They don’t run as many pieces of software, but to the wank that said you can only do light video editing. Do some reseach. Creatives (audio, video, photo) all recognize the superiority of the MAC.

PC’s are good because: Everyone else is using them. If you subscribe to this belief then there’s just no help for you. Servers are best when running un*x and desktops are most secure and efficient running MAC.

Even as an admin, I had to clear my computer (PC) of spyware quite frequently. When I finally ported over to a mac, I loved the fact that I reboot monthly instead of many times per week, that I can just close the clamshell and reopen it later and work as needed. That aps are isolated from each other and that the disk defrags itself.

Yeah, you cannot manually upgrade a MAC, but that’s how the brand protects itself. Customized MAC’s that are sold have the potential of breaking down more (imagine some uncertified chump adding a new fuel injector and expecting a dealer to explain why it doesn’t work). and effecting the reputation of the overall machine.

Don’t knock it until you’ve spent a month working on one.

July 21st, 2006 at 5:00 am
cerendrynn says:

What I’ve been laughing at with these commercials is, I went to school with the Mac guy. I know, weird. But besides that, why argue, Macs are better for some things, while PC’s are better for others. My personal preference is PC, just because I can build one for much cheaper than I could ever buy a Mac. Also, I hate the GUI for the Mac.

July 21st, 2006 at 5:03 am
LazarX says:

I just enjoyed this cartoon for it’s own sake. No matter from what side if any you’re coming from, it’s funny!

July 21st, 2006 at 5:04 am
NeoChichiri says:

Ok, for those who think that quality has anything to do with market share…you are dead wrong. The reason that Windows has the majority of the market share is because Bill Gates is a marketing GENIUS. How else would you explain the fact that a subpar operating system can be released and sell well even though it has enough bugs to make it look like it was still alpha software? Is it because Windows is a better operating system? I don’t think so.

I’m not a loyalist for any platform. They all have their strengths and weaknesses. I personally prefer Linux, but I don’t recommend it to everyone. I was honestly surprised with Mac OS-X. Before I used it I thought it was going to suck, but it ended up being fairly decent. My only complaint about Macs is that they need to make the 2 button mouse standard.

July 21st, 2006 at 5:06 am
ThursDuck says:

Hardware and OS arguments aside, the mac guys are trying to manipulate me and the PC guys aren’t (there aren’t even any identifiable “PC guys” or pro-pc-anti-mac ads). “Ooh, mac guys are cool dudes, and pc guys are chubby geeks - which one do YOU wanna be?”. That’s why the mac guy (aka the pole-smoking fucktard) irritates me, and that’s why I think we should hate and fear mac, McDonald’s, Coke, and the Catholic church. For different reasons, you can throw in the guy who wrote that “jews and liberals” dreck (dude, what were you thinking?).

July 21st, 2006 at 5:15 am
coldwar23 says:

Educate Yourselves- did the chair hit that ONE big ass mouse button on your mac mouse. I have a 50/50 chance of whether I would have double posted or whether I could have saved, copied, or whateva with my sweet windows mouse. And I’m glad hwerever you work is willing and/or stupid enough to spend all that money on glitz. I just Ghost my machines and push the image through the network once every month. That with a rigorous program access security setup and things are great.

July 21st, 2006 at 5:46 am
Jason says:

A) Mac’s have 4 button mice with scroll balls (keep yourselves current)
B) trojan horses are not viruses
C) new macs can run windows or mac os
D) wasn’t that the kid from that movie “waiting”?
E) why is A1 sauce so damn addicting?

July 21st, 2006 at 6:11 am
lamesicles says:

I for one am sick of Mac snobs. Macs are nice computers, I use them on a daily basis, along side my PC running Windows XP and Linux. I don’t see a difference between a Mac and a PC other than the price. Most of the software on the Mac you can run on the PC, but alot of the software on the PC you can’t run on a Mac. Macs are way overpriced for what you get, and in the 10+ years I’ve used PCs, I have only gotten one virus, due to me turning off my virus scanner. I say use what you want, but don’t rub it in everyone’s face like it’s superior. Anything I can do on a Mac, I can do on my PC, for a quarter of the price.

July 21st, 2006 at 6:27 am
dave420 says:

Jeff, so if you want to develop windows apps, you should buy a mac and develop mac apps instead? That’s ridiculous logic. If you want to make apps for 90%+ of the desktop market, you write windows apps. That’s where the money is.

Use macs for what they’re good for, and PCs for what they’re good for. Anyone turning their nose up at anything for any reasons other than actual objective criticism backed up with evidence, is a tool.

July 21st, 2006 at 6:33 am
Drew says:

That is absolutely hilarious. Good one.

July 21st, 2006 at 6:46 am
jeff says:

I sell technology for a living.
The new mac book pro got a lot of hype and I fielded a lot of questions.
Other than that, I’ve only sold a handful of macs and only to design firms that need them for their supposed ability to produce better art.
Other than that 99% of the business world buys PC’s.
And as for mac’s being easy to use out of the box, try telling that to someone who buys a garmin gps for their car like my buddy did.
After 2 hours of searching for drivers and trying to load the CD on his mac using a windows emulator, he called me and asked me to bring my dual core notebook.
I spend $1100 for my notebook and his $2000 mac notebook and $2400 imac simply couldn’t compete.
’nuff said, I’m glad I didn’t buy a mac.
Now that they have the intel proc’s, they are closer than ever to getting pc users to switch.
until they close the price gap and bundle XP with osX, people will remain hesitant to switch.

July 21st, 2006 at 6:50 am
bob says:

meh, linux owns both mac and pc, cry all you want

July 21st, 2006 at 6:54 am
Mike Salsbury says:

I was once one of the Mac faithful. I started using the Mac back in about 1985, not long after the initial release. In 1996, I changed jobs, and the new job REQUIRED me to learn DOS/Windows. Windows 95 was “ok” but not as good as Mac OS. Windows 98/Me made some improvements, but still weren’t a Mac. But by 1999 I had sold my last Mac and used Windows exclusively. Today, I don’t own a Mac and have no interest in using one except as necessary in my job.

On my blog I’ve written various diatribes about the errors and misconceptions in Apple’s ads, a comparison of OS X to Linux, etc. Feel free to check them out:

File Copying on the Mac Still Sucks:
http://mikesalsbury.com/mambo/content/view/508/

Macs Don’t Need to Reboot? Wrong!
http://mikesalsbury.com/mambo/content/view/506/

The Magic Rainbow Pinwheel of Fun
http://mikesalsbury.com/mambo/content/view/505/

Apple Advertising Misrepresentation #2 - Security
http://mikesalsbury.com/mambo/content/view/494/

14 Shaky Reasons to Buy a Mac
http://mikesalsbury.com/mambo/content/view/492/

Windows Beats OS X on the Same Hardware
http://mikesalsbury.com/mambo/content/view/404/

Mac OS X Tiger vs. Linux
http://mikesalsbury.com/mambo/content/view/243/

July 21st, 2006 at 6:54 am
Scott says:

Microsoft is a marketing company not a software company, their OS is poorly architected. That’s why it gets virus’ and that’s why it randomly hangs, crashes, and re-boots.

It’s not the Mac per-se that makes Macs better, it’s the *nix under the hood. *nix systems are better architected because they have a concept of kernel space and user space and user space only get’s into kernel space through very well defined API’s.

What that means is that even if a *nix box gets a “virus” or “worm” it only affects the account that wes running the program. And if you are a good admin and don’t run anything as root, they can’t get in and trash your OS, the architecture protects you.

In a Windows world there is no concept of kernel and user space everything runs in the same memory so once you are in, you are in.

That being said, I use Windows for the pretty games I don’t mind re-booting from time to time.

I use Linux for my Desktop work (would probably my a mac if I had money to burn)

I use FreeBSD for my file/print/web/dns/nat/smtp/imap server.

July 21st, 2006 at 7:12 am
MikeMoffit says:

Touche’

July 21st, 2006 at 8:21 am
chris says:

To bad macs are now pcs with apple only special unlock chip for osX. Maybe if removed that requirement, osX would grow faster. Might be more of a threat to MS

July 21st, 2006 at 8:54 am
Hudson Hawk says:

Guys I think you are all forgetting one thing, who owns Apple?
Hint: Why do you think Apple could reverse engineer MS software to run Windows Software?
Let’s face it, if it where not for the iPod Apple would of been shut down years ago.
Macs are over priced, and very limited outside of the graphic industry. No matter what you say the facts speak for themselves.
OS X may give you less of a chance of having a virus but in prior Mac OS that has not been the case, in fact up until a few years ago there where more Virus for Mac then for PCs. The real reason for that has been stated all ready, hackers and spyware venders are not going to waste their time writing a program for a computer that no one really uses, maybe a few home users but in real world business Macs just don’t fit in and with the way Steve Jobs runs Apple it never will.

Answer: for those of you who did not get my hint, Microsoft owns Apple Corp.

July 21st, 2006 at 9:10 am
Stephen says:

I built my PC 3 years ago. In that time I haven’t had to re-install the OS nor have had a virus, trojan or spyware. True…I do have the usual firewall and anti-virus but it takes no work on my part to keep everything updated. Seems to happen automatically except for my clicking the OK button. One thing that gets me is if OSX is so virus proof, why is it that whenever I install a new Linux distro to play around with, the first thing you need to do is go online to download the latest security fixes and updates? Obviously ‘nix has potential security issues …but very few are bothering to try and exploit them.

As fot the Mac easier to use issue…..how much easier can it really be? I see this line repeated time and again in all the pro-Mac comments above about ease of use. Am I going to be a lot more production doing my Excel spreadsheets on a Mac versus a PC? Will a MAC improve my Word output? Will my browsing speed go up? When editing a pic with Photoshop will it really be that much easier to do that I can take the afternoon off and do something else with all the time I’m now saving by using a MAC. Get real. Its the software more than the OS. If you’re using lousy software then whatever you do on a PC or Mac will be more difficult. I really would like some concrete examples of how everyday use of the computer is so much easier with a MAC than a PC. Other than the usual Geek stuff, such as …well it only takes 2 mouse clicks to do this with a MAC versus 3 with a PC….I haven’t seen anything that really supports this argument.

July 21st, 2006 at 9:48 am
CrazyFoxMoon says:

Well, my loathing of MACs goes back to my days as a graphic artist. The place I worked used PCs. I had someone tell me to my face that it was impossible to do any graphics on a PC. Excuse me, but I worked there for five years… doing graphics… on a PC.

Sheesh….

I haven’t worked there for 8 years, but I still do my graphics on a PC.

July 21st, 2006 at 9:51 am
willmark says:

“OS X may give you less of a chance of having a virus but in prior Mac OS that has not been the case, in fact up until a few years ago there where more Virus for Mac then for PCs.”

Were you sniffing glue and not sharing or something? You might want to do some fact checking before making such asinine statements. Here’s a clue: www.google.com very useful…

July 21st, 2006 at 9:52 am
Armand says:

1. Mac OS X as no virus, the Classic Mac OS got some virus. Don’t argue the market share for the no existance of virus Mac OS X, since the market for thoses systems was most of the time under 10%.

2. When you works with a computer the difference of price between computer is unimportant when compare with the amount of the contract. So you must find the best tools.

3. You want to play go play chess.

July 21st, 2006 at 10:08 am
Hudson Hawk says:

When I mean a few years ago, I am taking more like 10 years ago when Macs where selling in par with PCs. Back then you where hard pressed to not buy a Mac brand new that did not come all ready with Virus on them right from Apple.

July 21st, 2006 at 10:34 am
Lazy Eyed Rasputin says:

“At least the PC guy isn’t some trendy, pole-smoking fucktard who pays a 40% premium for overheating, whining, discolored hardware with only one fucking mouse button…

Comment by GrrMoof — July 20, 2006 @ 4:53 pm”

Made my afternoon. “Pole-Smoking Fucktard” I’m sure that’s the name of the last guy I talked to at Microsoft Support-Santro

July 21st, 2006 at 10:45 am
Zach says:

You all are freaks, I really dont give a crap about what i use, i have used Mac, and PC, i have Modded a Mac and a PC.

I have crashed a Mac and a PC

I have spent days looking for drivers on a Mac and a PC.

With Mac, you get good programs that are written well, You have to PAY for a small upgrade.

With Windows, you get a Fark load of updates, but they are all free, the programs are not written as well.

They both have there ups and downs, Microsoft rags on Mac all the time, it is just pointless fun, You ARE like a bunch of trek geeks.

July 21st, 2006 at 11:29 am
amd says:

Just wondering, how come everyone here seems to prefer calling someone stupid/gay/insert-another-derogatory-term-here just because someone has a preference? It’s a computer, they are all designed to compute binary numbers, they can all do the same job as another because they were designed in such a way. Some might do it faster than others, but oh well. I don’t see why some of you people resort to name calling simply because someone uses a different OS than you. It’s ridiculous that you (you know who you are) feel the need to criticize other people simply because they have a different opinion.

Are we human and can we respect someone’s different choices?
Is your head that far up your ass that everyone should live their life like

Seriously, grow up people, how old are you anyways? Maybe you can’t afford a mac cause you’re all children and can’t get real jobs or maybe you’re too busy working on your own life to see how the other side does things. Regardless, this is bullshit to treat others like anything other than humans (especially for what kind of OS they use).

As for my personal preference,
I prefer OS X for everything, linux if i can use it, and windows as a last resort, I am willing to pay extra money for an OS that I enjoy using and could care less that someone else doesn’t see the same way, just don’t call me a moron for making my own decision. You have your own life to live and let others live their lifes, if you don’t, you’re seriously messed up (this is regardless of what OS you use, if you can’t respect other people for their decisions, you have problems).

Again, an OS does NOT pertain to specific demographic groups that can just be assumed. ie. not all mac users are graphic design majors, not all PC users are gamers, not all linux users are geeks.

If this offends you, do yourself a favor and get a life, i have my opinions, i’m not forcing you to read them, if you feel inclined to read my opinions you are doing so on your own and i’m not out to piss anyone off so if you’re offended, keep it to yourself and go do something else.

July 21st, 2006 at 11:29 am
emarduk says:

I think it’s hilarious how frequently pole-smoker, homo, fag, etc came up in this argument. So, you guys are just homophobic, and thats why you hate Macs and their users… Because they’re clearly turning the world gay! No, really, that makes for PERFECT logic… You guys have fun at your next Klan meeting!

So, yeah, anyways… PCs come with the option of “Destructive Recovery.” Shouldn’t that speak for itself? I mean, I used to love PCs, but then I guess one day I just got sick of aneurysms and nose-bleeds. Now I love my Mac… it’s great for making me not want to maim it.

July 21st, 2006 at 11:33 am
FathomsOcean says:

“I can’t pop the lid off of it and modify things. I can’t overclock it. I can’t pop out the CPU and stick another one in it.”
_____________

“99.2% of computer purchasers don’t give a rip. Technology changes so dramatically over the 2-4 year typical lifespan of a computer that it’s not economically worth upgrading individual components anyway. And when was the last time a business larger than four PCs and a printer upgraded just the CPUs of their machines once a year? Doesn’t happen, my friend. Us geeks are the only ones that do such things, and we do not drive the large-scale PC market in the least. We’re a niche, at best.

-Furo”
__________________
ok, I like the 1st guys post.

Furo, Just a note for clarification… Only americans mod ?
I would think it opposite and more euro & asian and other (*aussies)folks make more modifications. We can just call monarch and order up the latest and greatest custom build.

I read the DFI-street webpage and I see a worldwide presence and not just americans upgradeing and modding their PC’s.
DFI motherboards hold EVERY overclocking record. DFI boards are mostly considerd advanced as you may have to set up something in the bios to even get it booted up and some novices have rough go. Point beng a I see a worldwide presence and not just americans.

Macs are ok in certain aplications. Windows in others and linux etc etc in others. The whole mac thing that gets me is by them seling it as tholugh it is Porshe when it is at best a V.W.

July 21st, 2006 at 11:42 am
Dirtpirate says:

Educate_Yourselves, besides the fact that your whole rant sounded like something I would hear in the locker room if I were on the Computing Team at Nerd U, you mostly summed up the whole argument with this following quote.

“Nobody ever says they love their Dell, but EVERY Mac user loves their Mac.”

And I think that says it all. Mac users will love Macs regardless. It isn’t about computing power, or ease of use, or lack of viruses, or anything more than just some blind brand loyalty.

For some reason it reminds me a lot of Saab owners. Is there much overlap between Mac & Saab owners I wonder?

July 21st, 2006 at 12:00 pm
JimmieD says:

Just one comment. I have nothing to say regarding the superiority of Mac vs. PC, hardware vs. software, etc. I will just say one thing. One person has already mentioned it but it needs to be stressed.

YES, Macs used to ship with a one button mouse.
BUT, for $10-20 you can buy a two-button USB mouse with scroll wheel pretty much anywhere, and it works FINE with a Mac. Yes, you can even do all of the fun right-clicky things you can do with the two-button mouse on a Windows machine.
AND NOW, Macs ship with a mouse that has three configurable buttons and a 2D trackball built in, STANDARD.

So, let us never speak of the one-button mouse again.

Thank you.

July 21st, 2006 at 12:27 pm
Lenny says:

Its Mac. Mac in a box. No mods, no overclocking, no better aftermarket hardware. It takes the fun out of computers and makes it into just an appliance, with no more ability to open up and mess with than my toaster.

That’s great for you, but more than half of the people buying computers need just an appliance. They are the ones that open every email and click on every attachment and are likely to use AOL. For the purpose of security I’d rather have Joe and Jane User on a Mac. PCs are good for business, gamers and Linux folks… people that are not running Win or if they are they are behind a firewall or smart enough to not let their computer get infected. I use OSX, XP and Mandriva Linux… Windows has the most use but I will admit that I don’t go online with Windows unless I am at my desk at work where it is the only option. OSX is certainly the most slick and fun to use… one of my Linux boxes was up for three years without a reboot. Won’t see that happening with XP.

July 21st, 2006 at 12:30 pm
Bryan says:

My PC Crashed when I first tried to look at this post, cuasing me to lose a file that I needed for work. Does that mean I get to shoot the PC guy?

July 21st, 2006 at 12:39 pm
enkidu says:

I use both platforms for my 3d and design business. Businesses and consumers use whatever works for them. Unix, OSX, XP, they all have their places (and with plenty of overlap). Linux users have even fewer games than OSX, does that make them useless for Apache? Macs rule at plug and play design, audio and video tasks, but lack as many game titles as PCs (tho we do get the AAA titles a few months late). Windows is good enough for most folks, but you have to be diligent about firewalls, virus scanning and so forth if you don’t want your machine to be overwhelmed with infection. Oh and they play games nearly as well as a PS2, X360 or ‘cube.

Macs are now intel based and anything win/x86 based can now run native (boot camp, yeah drivers are early, get over it), virtual (VMware coming, parallels etc on tap now) or just run OSX versions of what you need. The iLife apps come with every mac and are a joy to use. True many PCs come with near equivalents/better but they also come with tons of useless cruft and bloatware. I am not a fan of the one button mouse, but 90% of folks don’t use the right click anyway (other than by mistake) and u should know Apple ships a multibutton mouse and works with any 3rd party mutlibutton mouse (has for years and years).

Going x86 and co-opting the Unix programming chops of the open source crowd should be a recipe for survivial if not market dominance… for that we need to invent a whole new market (video iSlate with 11n - and its a real mac under the hood). Macs work like appliances… they just work. PCs, well, not so much.

July 21st, 2006 at 12:59 pm
JJ says:

You know that Apple and the Linux community have the same problem. They always try to “out do” windows. Instead of just trying to kick ass in their own right, they always claim how they do task x better than Windows. Concern yourself with yourself, not with your competitor. Best the best you can be without comparison, and you will usually end up the leader. And about the one button mouse thing, I’ll concede on a desktop buying a mouse works, with a laptop…come on, add a second farking button, seriously.

July 21st, 2006 at 1:05 pm
Victor says:

Stephen wrote in #141: “I really would like some concrete examples of how everyday use of the computer is so much easier with a MAC than a PC”

Where do I start? Insert a USB memory stick in a WinXP PC. Auto-mounts, right? But of course on the desktop NOTHING SHOWS UP, right? OK, big deal. Now, what do you have to do before you pull it out? Right-click on the icon in the system tray to “stop” the hardware; dialog pops up, you select which device you want to “stop” then click OK. Another dialog pops up listing which of the logical volumes you want to “stop,” so you click to select the correct one, and click OK. You now get a dialog that says it’s safe to unplug the memory stick, which you have to click on to dismiss. How many clicks is that so far? Still with me? OK

July 21st, 2006 at 1:16 pm
Marc says:

One buttom mouse, not as many games, not as much software, can’t overclock, cost a lot more are the reasons you should not buy a mac. WAIT WAIT. You can buy a 2 butom mouse cheap and most are mac compatible. If you want the best games buy an Playstation or xbox or whatever. There is more software than you could ever use for a mac, not as much as a PC but tons and tons and it EZ to install and takes seconds usually to use efficieltly. Why overclock when you don’t need to, I am not a computer geek who has nothing better to do than fiddle with my computer. If you purchase virus, spyware, and other software protection products to keep your PC “safe”, the mac will be cheaper. You need to overclock your PC to keep up with a mac because macs don’t bottleneck like a PC. I have never cussed or almost punched my mac. My Dell has almost been thrown out the window several times. Try calling Dell and speak to Habib about a technical problem, he will tell you his name is Abraham Lincoln and repeat everything you say to make sure he understands you. He sounds like he is on a satellite phone and you can barely (if you are lucky) understand him. The one time I called Apple support I spoke to an American who I could understand and spent 3 minutes on the phone including hold time. Mac crashes/lockups/freezes 0. Dell laptop at least 30. I use a PC daily at work and it works great most of the time but when it does not it is infuriating. It is not worth the hassel. Go buy a mac and if you do not like it sell it on ebay after 3 months. You will still be able to get 90% of what you paid for it. You will not want to sell it though. Try that will a PC and you would be lucky to get 70%. You PC guys talk about pole smoking, isn’t Bill Gates giving away all his billions to fight AIDS. I guess he REALLY wants all his pole smoking Windows users to live longer so you can buy his software.

July 21st, 2006 at 1:19 pm
Victor says:

So as a follow-on to #157 — on a MacOS X computer, insert USB memory stick. Icon of volume appears ON THE DESKTOP. Want to eject it? Simple. Drag icon to Trash can icon, or hit cmd (Apple key) - E (for Eject). No annoying dialogs. Nothing to click.

And waking a laptop from sleep? Typical Windows notebook (I’ve used Sony VAIOs, IBM ThinkPads, Dell Latitudes, Toshiba Tecras) — 15 seconds or even more. On a Mac OS X notebook? 2 seconds.

Or WiFi. Same thing — I travel a lot to different client sites, I have 34 location profiles. WiFi is a LOT easier to configure on a MacOS X portable.

July 21st, 2006 at 1:22 pm
Sky says:

Funny that all the comments here are about Mac and Windows, and no one seems to be commenting on topic of this post - the photoshopped spoof of the Apple ads. I think it is absolutely hilarious. Good job in the photoshopping too.

July 21st, 2006 at 1:37 pm
Victor says:

The Photoshopped spoof is evidence of a widespread attitude of denial: if you disagree with a message, even if the message is true, then threaten or intimidate the messenger (with name calling, false arguments, etc.). The truth will either set you free — if you are open-minded — or it will imprison you in a hell of insecurities that will have you acting out with inappropriate hostility towards those who know the truth. Some of us have actually used multiple operating systems to do real work, so we have some objective basis for comparing them.

July 21st, 2006 at 1:55 pm
CowardlyBob says:

“Just one comment. I have nothing to say regarding the superiority of Mac vs. PC, hardware vs. software, etc…

YES, Macs used to ship with a one button mouse…”

Hey Jimmie D.- let’s clarify this.

FIRST: - You ARE making a statement about Mac/PC superiority, by defending the EQUIVALENCE of their mice.

B: The Windows realm NATIVELY (sp?) incorporated the 2-button mouse TEN years ago.

3: Multi-button mice have been available since the inception of the mouse (check out what Kensington offered circa 1984).

C: The MAC only recently (~2005)began SHIPPING with a 2-button mouse, inferring that Apple lacked a sense of confidence in the tacked-on multi-button architecture in OS-X. This TEN YEARS after the 2-button became ‘de rigeur’on that crappiest of OS’s, Windows 95.

As for the rest-little gaming on the MAC, while PC’s compete with consoles, and actually outperform them in video clarity and control accuracy/flexibility.

As for XP not being micro-kernel-based…wrong. Go read Mark Minasi’s comparison of the DEC OS/Unix and NT circa 1999. Same basic architecture behind all these OS’s (even the MAC and OS-X) as a result of paradigms developed in the late 60’s (go read about the root of Unix and the C programming language).

Now, the NT family has some issues as MS opened some paths between the layers (user and exec) to improve printing and video performance (which I wish they hadn’t done, but hey-I didn’t design it.)

Another issue with Macs is the INCREDIBLE amount of business apps that do NOT run on it. I manage software deployment for enterprises (15,000+ desktops), and many of our apps are not available off-the-shelf (meaning they are industry-specific), and they aren’t written for the MAC.

I’ve worked with MACS since 1992. Lots good to say about them. Stable, easy to use, and do crash less than a WIntel, but that’s because they generally DO less. When I build a WIntel for light use (few apps, minimal multi-tasking) they RARELY have problems. Just a matter of load.

Just my 0.03

July 21st, 2006 at 2:04 pm
Marc says:

Nobody has mentioned how much the Windows nerd looks like Bill Gates

July 21st, 2006 at 2:37 pm
bob says:

I love that most of the Mac bashers have limited to no experience actually using one. You really need to own something or use it as least as much as your windows pc to form a real opinion.

July 21st, 2006 at 2:38 pm
Victor says:

In #162, CowardlyBob wrote: “The Windows realm NATIVELY (sp?) incorporated the 2-button mouse TEN years ago.”

I’ve lost count of the number of times, when I’m instructing someone to click on something, they ask “Right click or left click?” I’ve seen lots of people get confused when you ask them to distinguish between left click and right click. With a one button mouse, there’s NO ambiguity. That said, on the Intel Mac portables, if you want to right-click you tap on the trackpad with TWO fingers (to scroll horizontally and vertically, you also use two fingers). Just because there’s no physical 2nd button doesn’t mean the functionality isn’t there. Contrast this with typical Windows notebook PC trackpads that are festooned with markings for the scrolling areas. Remember Microsoft’s spoof of the iPod box design?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPukd_hiflE&search=iPod%20parody

July 21st, 2006 at 2:54 pm
Victor says:

In #162, CowardlyBob wrote: “I’ve worked with MACS since 1992. Lots good to say about them. Stable, easy to use, and do crash less than a WIntel, but that’s because they generally DO less.”

Funny, on a MacOS X portable, you have, in addition to the usual apps that average people run: a full dev environment (price Visual Studio 2005 for comparison), PHP, Perl, Apache, MySQL, etc. — in other words, a full web database application development software stack. Bundled with the OS. So if for some reason can’t ssh into your dev server, run the dev instance right on your laptop. Sure, there’s a lot more vertical market software for Win32. But you can now run those on Intel Macs using the Parallels VM.

July 21st, 2006 at 3:07 pm
brad says:

Great brilliant but who would write a virus for under 10% of the market vs. 90%

July 21st, 2006 at 3:16 pm
Victor says:

In #162, CowardlyBob wrote: “that crappiest of OS’s, Windows 95″

I believe that distinction belongs to Windows Me. Even 98SE was better.

July 21st, 2006 at 3:16 pm
Victor says:

brad wrote in #167: “who would write a virus for under 10% of the market vs. 90%”

People who wanted to prove that the UNIX foundation of MacOS X was just as vulnerable to remote exploits as the Win32 software stack? See above cited post from Bill Joy, the principal author of BSD UNIX (he uses MacOS X).

July 21st, 2006 at 3:18 pm
Victor says:

Y’know folks, John Gruber covered the Windows virus thing in 2004 — see his article ‘Broken Windows’

http://daringfireball.net/2004/06/broken_windows

Regardless of WHY there are NO effective viruses in the wild for MacOS X (which is NOT the same as saying there will NEVER be any), there is NO disputing the fact. Running Windows is like living in a south Beirut condo after Hezbollah bombs Haifa and kidnaps Israeli soldiers. Sure, you can move into a bunker, but shouldn’t you at least consider spending part of your time in a safer country? For Windows bigots, apparently not.

July 21st, 2006 at 3:27 pm
Victor says:

In #167 brad wrote: “Great brilliant but who would write a virus for under 10% of the market vs. 90%”

This reminds me of the logic in “Eat at Joe’s Diner. A million flies can’t be wrong.”

:-D

July 21st, 2006 at 3:30 pm
upriser says:

you cant respect a computer with dongles

July 21st, 2006 at 4:44 pm
upriser says:

this explains the mac gamer http://www.roosterteeth.com/archive/download.php?id=499

July 21st, 2006 at 4:51 pm
Meh says:

>>Nobody ever says they love their Dell, but EVERY Mac user loves their Mac.

July 21st, 2006 at 6:28 pm
Meh says:

Damn it, it cut off my rant…

Anyway, way to make a blanket statement there, chief. I happen to use Macs every day at work, at college, and I also own a PowerBook (to do homework for my classes), but at the same time, I really hate Macs. Try using programs like Quark and NewsEdit together on a Mac, and tell me if you still like them so much. Never before has a PC locked up, frozen up, or just plain closed the programs on me unexpectedly so that I lose whatever I was working on. I’ve never wanted to throw my PC off the rooftop before (and not a Dell, kthx, Dells are for people who don’t know any better; I built my PC myself). But the Macs I come into contact with every day make me downright homicidal towards machines. Honestly, a G5 tower should not have so many damn issues just running two programs at once. At least on my PC I can play an online game, with Trillian, Teamspeak and Firefox running in the background without so much as lagging; and comparitively, my PC is kinda gimp next to a G5. But Quark and NewsEdit are meant to work together and they don’t. I wish someone could explain this to me. I hate Macs. I hate Quark and NewsEdit. I hate Dell. I love my self built PC.

July 21st, 2006 at 6:39 pm
Eric Chen says:

“If you’re a gamer, Macs aren’t for you.”

Jeezuz… I’m so sick of gamers exaggerating their importance. Gaming, at best, is a niche market in terms of the computer market. Get over it. It doesn’t make you special and it doesn’t make Macs useless, as you say.

July 21st, 2006 at 8:29 pm
Marc says:

I am a gamer, I am a gamer, get a life gamers and go outside and get some sun. Then after your pasty white skin had lost its glare at least try and get laid, it is way more fun than gaming.

July 21st, 2006 at 9:22 pm
Elmware says:

Screw them both, the penguine (Tux) rocks!

July 21st, 2006 at 9:22 pm
Victor says:

Meh wrote in #175: “I really hate Macs. Try using programs like Quark and NewsEdit together on a Mac, and tell me if you still like them so much. Never before has a PC locked up, frozen up, or just plain closed the programs on me unexpectedly so that I lose whatever I was working on”

Which version of Quark? 6.0 has issues that were “fixed” in 6.5. NewsEdit? The MLE program from Grass Valley? Why are you using an NLE and a page layout program together? How much RAM do you have installed? Are they the same speed and latency? Did you check for duplicate or corrupt fonts? Have you cleared the font and application caches? If not, why not? Instead of blaming the hardware, investigate and fix software issues first. Right?

July 21st, 2006 at 9:38 pm
Victor says:

Elmware weote in #178: “Screw them both, the penguine (Tux) rocks!”

Sure, but did you not read what Bill Joy said in the Wired article cited above in #138? Here, since you seem to have missed it:

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.12/billjoy.html
“Mac OS X is a rock-solid system that’s beautifully designed. I much prefer it to Linux… Open source is fine, but it doesn’t take a worldwide community to create a great operating system. Look at Ken Thompson creating Unix, Stephen Wolfram writing Mathematica in a summer, James Gosling in his office making Java…”

July 21st, 2006 at 9:41 pm
Ray says:

Okay, time to get at the heart of the matter. I don’t hate Mac, Apple, Jobs, or iPods. I don’t think they’re inferior in any way. You get the computer you like for whatever reason you do, and that’s good enough. Kudos to people who bought their computers for entertainment or necessity. Piss off to anyone who bought a Mac or Alienware because it matches their H2, or because they think it makes them smarter, or more worthy of an opinion.

Both the Mac and the PC (Windows/Linux/Amiga/BeOS, etc.) camps have whiny, squeaky wheel fucktards who will extol the virtues of their machines until their reproductive organs shrivel. Whether you spend 6 hours gaming, or making your podcast, it’s true: These things don’t make you special, and owning one doesn’t make you cool.

The problem is, Mac Users who fall under the aforementioned fucktard category, are the ones represented vicariously through the prick in the commercials. And they incite the seething sarcasm inside every PC user, much like the morons in the movie theater who make forced laughs, way too hard, at any snide cultural reference they think other people don’t get. Stop trying so hard to pretend you’re cooler and better than PC users. Stop forcing that uncomfortable laugh at the PC users expense. Yes, the commercials are kinda funny, in a bad episode of Seinfeld kinda way. We get it. PC users are stodgy, and Mac Users are hip. Teehee. It’s okay to poke fun, but stop pressing buttons. Like that one you have on your mouse. Let not that which is subtle, die.

July 21st, 2006 at 11:11 pm
Victor says:

Ray wrote in #181: “PC users are stodgy, and Mac Users are hip.”

What does that make those of us who use both? Stodgy hipsters?

July 21st, 2006 at 11:23 pm
Kevin. M says:

I’m a fan of Zero’s and Ones… Oh don’t forget electricity, got to have that. What’s next? “I don’t like Mac’s because I use internet explorer” Give me a break… Take all this information everyone is throwing around and analyze it, compute it, and then make a decision. Maybe you like Mac, maybe you like Windows, maybe you like Linux, and maybe you like the next big thing coming out. This whole argument to me is like what went on in my family growing up with 3 brothers. One liked Honda motorcycles, one like Yamaha, one didn’t like motorcycles at all, and I like/still enjoy Kawasaki. They’re all made for themselves to profit their parent company. However each one has their own pros and cons. But in the end they all used gas, air, and spark to make energy which was harnessed into riding fun. So if you like computers which by now I can safely assume you do. Go out there and play with them, whether it is games, video, graphics, or just plain old binary programming. Stop comparing which is better and make one that is completely dominate of all computers and then I will bow down and take my place in line to kiss your feet. So far I have not met Steve Jobs or Bill Gates, so I’m not kissing their feet anytime soon. Yes the Mac guy looks like a fucktard, but the pc guy doesn’t look like he’d know the difference between a pair of Dr Martins and a set of twin doctors named martin!

July 22nd, 2006 at 3:02 am
Ron Ingram says:

Don’t you just love it when people show their ignorance by swearing in a public forum? I say forget it all and download a free linux distro. No cd key needed, no antivirus needed.

July 22nd, 2006 at 5:03 am
wow says:

The commercial is truthful. Everything said against Macs here has been based around the assumption that the commercials are claims of perfection by apple. This is not the the case. In fact, those who cry that this is what apple is trying to say, clearly think taht the advantages Macs have make it perfect themselves…

So, basically, they are attacking their own idiocy indirectly througth apple…

Sad, very sad…

July 23rd, 2006 at 12:41 pm
you're all sad says:

I thought id start off by saying that all you people are very, very sad indeed. Alll the posts at the beginning were like, minutes apart!!! I suggest we all leave our screens, and look outside, wow whats that! Sunlight! wow havent seen that for a while!

Anyway apart from that, it is actually quite funny what some of you are saying. In my opinion PCs are better, but thats because when I was about 8 or 9, we had a Mac in our class. This was the same time that my family had got a PC. Sure the school would have a crap computer, I mean they were on a schools budget, but it put me off Macs for life. I mean, one button, holding it down and dragging it, the crappy menus, *shivers* scary.

I know that its kind of ironic that I told of of you how sad you are about coming on here, by actually coming on here, but truthfully I found this by searching for the difference between Macs and PCs, because nobody knew…but obviously you all have your own opinions, so carry on making me laugh, some of your posts are very very very funny. But if you’re going to go into detail of all these different systems, remember that this started off as a picture, and a picture that was meant to be a joke at that!!! Why can’t we all just laugh at that instead of posting boring messages. I didn’t have much time so I only read the first 60 posts or so (and it’s not very often I can say only the first 60)…

July 23rd, 2006 at 2:46 pm
Nub-Achilles says:

Two words: MAC’S SUCK.

July 23rd, 2006 at 3:06 pm
Alex says:

I tried to upgrade the video card in my gaming PC a while back. The drivers crashed Windows - I couldn’t even boot. So I loaded WoW onto my iMac, and that’s where I’ve been playing it ever since. At the same time I have Garageband and iMovie running so I can work on editing my brother’s wedding video or the recording of my friend’s gig while my WoW character is flying around to various locations.

So for two years my “gaming” PC has been sitting in the corner collecting dust because the work of reinstalling the OS is just far too daunting.

See, I bought a computer to help me do the fun stuff I want to do. My hobbies are photography, videography and gaming. Certainly, if I wanted to have fun fiddling with registry, downloading the latest driver for each component of the system, and spend a weekend every month reinstalling the operating system then I’d go and buy another Windows box. For now I’ll stick with my iMac and just get on with doing what I enjoy doing.

I love the Apple ads, and this parody was priceless. I’m a Mac user, and I am neither a graphic artist nor a homo. My mouse is a Logitech Mx518, with most of the buttons in use by Exposé, or mapped to hotbar buttons in WoW. At least the Mac can use the extra buttons, where a Windows user is stuck with two.

July 23rd, 2006 at 6:34 pm
Krioma.net Blog says:

Mac vs. PC videos…

After the mac put out a bunch of cool vids advertising their product there have been a bunch of home made versions appear (by a number I mean a lot). Anyway on youtube you will find loads. Here are a…

July 24th, 2006 at 3:08 am
chenry says:

hi-larious! definitely saving that one.

me and my Apple Powerbook hate those commercials.

/mac user
//mac lover

July 24th, 2006 at 9:28 am
Sherri says:

I don’t personally care about MACs. What gets me is the snobby attitude a lot of their users have. This ad campaign is just a big reflection of that. Linux users can be snobby at times too. Use Windows, a Mac, Linux, or whatever you want to. And you’re quite welcome to like what you use. But don’t think that you’re better than anyone else because of what you use, and don’t go around bashing others. I personally have a self-built PC and a pre-Dell Alienware laptop (both running Windows XP), and I wouldn’t trade them for anything. But I don’t feel like I’m superior to anyone using something different. As long as you’re happy with what you have, that’s all that matters.

July 24th, 2006 at 11:26 am
Sherri says:

Oh! and I meant to add…this ad campaign has the reverse effect on me that Apple was going for. I like the PC guy better because he seems more reliable and friendly. lol

July 24th, 2006 at 11:27 am
Victor says:

Nub-Achilles wrote: “Two words: MAC’S SUCK”

Please tell that to the following people, who all prefer Macs (as cited in posts 119, 120, 138):

Tim Berners-Lee — inventor of the web
Bill Joy — co-founder, Sun Microsystems, principal author, BSD UNIX
James Gosling — co-inventor of Java

Whoever you are, “Nub-Achilles,” you don’t know what you’re talking about.

July 24th, 2006 at 7:54 pm
Victor says:

Sherri wrote: “I don’t personally care about MACs. What gets me is the snobby attitude a lot of their users have”

You don’t have to personally care about Macs — one way or the other — to demonstrate ignorance, as many of the other commenters here have. I use Windows XP and MacOS X, so I have an objective basis for comparing them. The ads ring true, because they reflect the real world experience of many people who have actually compared Windows XP and MacOS X. For example, PC World named MacOS X one of the best products of 2005:
http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/article/0,aid,120763,pg,3,00.asp

July 24th, 2006 at 8:06 pm
Victor says:

You’re all sad wrote in #186: “In my opinion PCs are better, but thats because when I was about 8 or 9, we had a Mac in our class. This was the same time that my family had got a PC. Sure the school would have a crap computer, I mean they were on a schools budget, but it put me off Macs for life. I mean, one button, holding it down and dragging it, the crappy menus, *shivers* scary… obviously you all have your own opinions, so carry on making me laugh, some of your posts are very very very funny”

Your ignorance would be funny if it wasn’t so sad. Sure we all have opinions, but some of them are based on knowledge, not ignorant lies.

July 24th, 2006 at 8:11 pm
Victor says:

People — educate yourselves. I cited multiple sources (Tim Berners-Lee, James Gosling, Bill Joy) and posted examples (USB memory key handling) that provide evidence for the excellent user experience provided by MacOS X, yet a bunch of Windows bigots continue to ignorantly insist that MacOS X is in no way superior to Windows XP. I use both systems, I’m Microsoft certified on WinXP, I’ve worked for IBM, DEC, Compaq, and Fujitsu, and I currently work for a Microsoft Business Partner. I use a Mac to RDP to the Windows 2003 Enterprise Server on my home LAN. In Quicksilver, I type the first few letters of my RDP shortcut, and I’m on my Win2K3 server in 5 seconds — without having to click on the one-button mouse people complain about. I can ssh to a Unix/BSD/Linux box from my Mac, or use VNC.

July 24th, 2006 at 8:22 pm
Victor says:

I just got a priceless email from a friend — here’s what happens when IT ignores business needs of their users to enforce a Windows-only world:

“I think a lot of the problems here originate from the IT team… they have been trying to install the Creative Suite 2 to my machine now for about a week and a half… they have to ‘push’ it from the server… been speaking with another designer who has been here for 10 years now and her machine needs to be re-built on a regular basis. Every 3-6 months. The system will start crashing frequently, slow down all together, etc… the other designers fix is to bring in her own Mac”

July 24th, 2006 at 8:40 pm
Victor says:

And to continue from #197:

http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/os/macos/story/0,10801,100004,00.html
Kim Vichitrananda, a desktop support engineer for 800 PCs and 250 Macs at The Dallas Morning News, acknowledges that Windows has comparable applications for the publishing market. But, she says, “those applications don’t run as robustly on Windows. They’re not as fast or as seamless as on the Mac. We could not replace Macs for PCs.”

July 24th, 2006 at 8:56 pm
Victor says:

From the same article cited above in #198:
At Genentech Inc., a multibillion-dollar biotechnology firm…Mark Jeffries oversees nearly 2,500 Macs… the OS X machines are used “for various purposes,” from scientists doing pure research to executives toying with spreadsheets. According to Jeffries, the Mac’s place in the market today is the result in large measure to Windows-centric IT shops that “have always been trying to find some reason to get rid of Macs.” He remembers a virus that shut down operations at a couple of his company’s competitors in 2003 because of their total dependency on Windows while Genentech’s business continued unaffected. He says the company’s top executives took note of that event, and it reaffirmed their commitment to the Mac.

July 24th, 2006 at 8:59 pm
Victor says:

So, does anyone want to refute the cited articles?

Anyone?

Are you more competent than Tim Berners-Lee, the inventor of the web?
Are you more intelligent than Bill Joy, the principal author of BSD UNIX?
Are you more discerning than James Gosling, the inventor of Java?

Because these “ordinary” people ALL prefer to use MacOS X — everyday. And they’re not exactly graphics artists, either.

July 24th, 2006 at 9:06 pm
Victor says:

No, the best that ignorant bigots can do, when faced with the awful truth, is to say:

“Shut up.”

Which is really just another way of saying,

“My mind is made up, don’t confuse me with facts.”

Hey, everyone is entitled to their opinion. And their ignorance.

July 24th, 2006 at 9:08 pm
Sherri says:

Sorry, noone can reply ’cause they’re choking on the cloud of smug in the air now.

July 24th, 2006 at 9:26 pm
Victor says:

Sherri offered: “Sorry, noone can reply ‘cause they’re choking on the cloud of smug in the air now.”

Well, another email I received today stated: “Since what they are providing at this time just isn’t working, I have printed all your emails and will be suggesting that you be brought in as the solution. I’ve worked with you in the past and from my experience you provide better service than any other tech I’ve ever met MAC or PC related.”

So choke all you want, my clients know the quality of advice I give.

July 24th, 2006 at 10:29 pm
sP00N says:

WellI for one have tried both Apple and PC, and to be honest PC is much better, because of the bigger market, thus making parts way cheaper. And if you have a brain, you wount be bothered by viruses. My mac was a pile of crap. Couldnt even run halo. My 700mhz amd machine ran it perfectly, and that cost me near to nothing, while my ibook cost me $750. Also apple keeps changing their architecture everey 2 years now, so its a pain to keep up software wise. Also the new intel macs are just pcs, so their may be a virus for it soon enough. Why would I pay and extra $1000 for a computer that inst mac compatible, and the SAME as a pc. Think about it. You could almost run mac programs off of pc if you knew how to convert the formating.

July 24th, 2006 at 10:43 pm
Victor says:

In comment #199 above, Genentech was cited as a major Mac-using company. While it may not be a household word, Fortune Magazine in January 2006 named it the best U.S. company to work for. See

http://money.cnn.com/2006/01/06/news/companies/bestcos_genentech/index.htm

Genentech has over 2500 Macs, and “a virus… shut down operations at a couple of… competitors in 2003 because of their total dependency on Windows while Genentech’s business continued unaffected… the company’s top executives took note of that event, and it reaffirmed their commitment to the Mac.” Not smug — just good business sense.

July 24th, 2006 at 10:46 pm
Victor says:

sP00N gushed: “apple keeps changing their architecture everey 2 years now, so its a pain to keep up software wise… Also the new intel macs are just pcs, so their may be a virus for it soon enough.”

A perfect example of the rampant ignorance among the platform bigots. Macs started on Moto 68K architecture in 1984, went PowerPC in 1994, and Intel in 2006. That’s 10 and 12 years between architectural transitions, not 2.

Intel Macs are vulnerable to Win32 malware IF you run Windows on them, but not otherwise. So “soon enough” is right now — in Windows.

July 24th, 2006 at 10:57 pm
Morgan says:

Thank you Furo,
I kept reading all of this crap hoping I’d hear what you said. Apple computers have the best parts they can get. If you want a cheap computer, buy a piece of crap Dell for $300 and run Windows, but don’t start crying the day after the warranty runs out because your motherboard fails. The cheapest new MacBook sells for $1100 and is better than any custom or premade system possible, AND THE PARTS WON’T FAIL!! If you want to be cool and say that you modified it, skip their optional upgrade to 2GB RAM and do it your self for a third of the price. I grew up on Macs in school and I loved them. I’ve done the PC thing for the last few years and I got sick of all the problems. Everything just runs smoother on a Mac. Unlike Windows, they don’t rush out their OSs with a million problems that they eventually fix with updates (which btw, sometimes cause problems with existing programs on the Windows machines). The only thing that Macs were lacking in the past is compatibility with Windows machines. But with Microsoft Office 2004 for Macs, that was fixed. I actually prefer to use Entourage rather than Outlook. I’ve tested out Outlook 2007 and would say that a lot of the things they did with it look a lot like what they did with 2004 for Mac. Haha Windows users, Mac had it first. I have no problem with Windows, at work, it’s all I use. But at home, I’d rather use my Mac. Also, with the new Intel cores, you can run Windows on a Mac if you really want, meaning that you can get the quality parts of a Mac, with the ability to use a familiar environment while you adjust. This also fixes the annoying issue of PC games.

July 24th, 2006 at 11:05 pm
Victor says:

sP00N also offered: “to be honest PC is much better, because of the bigger market, thus making parts way cheaper”

Huh? Didn’t he also say “the new intel macs are just pcs” — so logically, the parts are the same. RAM, hard drives, CPUs, GPUs — the same. What’s the difference?

Hint: it’s in the software. On the Mac, you can run MacOS X, WinXP, Ubuntu, SUSE, Red Hat, OpenBSD, etc. so you can use software for those platforms too. So now what’s the advantage of a PC that’s only running Windows?

July 24th, 2006 at 11:10 pm
Morgan says:

By the way, I fear the release of Windows Vista, all of you who say PCs are cheaper will have a rude awakening. If you want to run the fancy new GUI aero, be prepared to spend an extra $500+ in parts for that new PC; or at least an upgrade in processor, video card, and RAM. For at least two years, most people will not be able to afford a machine that can run Vista the way that it is meant to be ran. Even my gaming machine (windows) has a hard time running just the OS without Aero.

July 24th, 2006 at 11:16 pm
Victor says:

Morgan wrote: “I’ve done the PC thing for the last few years and I got sick of all the problems”

I’ve worked on a lot of Dells (one of my projects involved deploying 1500 Dell Optiplex PCs at a large oil company), and their low end machines are a pain to fix — unfinished sheet metal edges inside the case can slice open your finger if you’re not careful. In contrast, Apple G5 towers are quite literally works of art, and even the older G4 towers are great to service and upgrade (bays for 4 HD + 2 optical plus FireWire 400 and 800). One client I have uses a 6-year old old G4 as their file server even for their AutoCAD PCs — the G4 just keeps working.

July 24th, 2006 at 11:17 pm
Victor says:

Morgan wrote: “I fear the release of Windows Vista”

Not Symantec, who are salivating at a new potential revenue stream:

Symantec continues Vista bug hunt
http://news.com.com/2100-1002_3-6097976.html

“We discovered a number of implementation flaws that continued to allow a full machine compromise to occur,” Matthew Conover, principal security researcher at Symantec, wrote in the report titled “Attacks against Windows Vista’s Security Model.”

July 24th, 2006 at 11:20 pm
Victor says:

Morgan wrote: “For at least two years, most people will not be able to afford a machine that can run Vista the way that it is meant to be ran.”

Well, now that AMD has bought ATI, that may change. AMD will keep dropping their prices to prevent Intel from taking back market share. At least, it looks like their current strategy to blunt the momentum of Core 2.

But this is all beside the point. Without WinFS, Vista is lame. If MacOS X 10.5 adopts Sun’s ZFS and benefits from Intel’s optimized compilers, it may open up a huge performance and data protection advantage over Vista. OS X 10.4.7 is usable on a 1999-era 400MHz G4; it just keeps getting faster.

July 24th, 2006 at 11:36 pm
Victor says:

One big “advantage” Windows has over MacOS X: Windows Genuine Advantage

http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/wga.asp
Aside from basic trust issues–Apple, for example, does not burden users with Product Activation or any similar anti-piracy technologies in its Mac OS X operating system–Microsoft made two major mistakes with WGA. The first was to silently post a beta version of the tool to Windows Update as a Critical Update, thus ensuring that it was quietly and underhandedly installed on hundreds of millions of customers’ PCs: I mean, seriously. Is Microsoft honestly making guinea pigs out of its entire user base?

July 24th, 2006 at 11:45 pm
Victor says:

It gets even better for all the Windows PC bigots:

http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/wga.asp
The second mistake was that WGA Notifications was also “phoning home” information to Microsoft on a regular basis. That’s right: Not only was the software secretly installed on your PC, but it then regularly contacted Microsoft servers and provided them with data about the instances of pirated and nonpirated software out there. Customers and security experts reacted with alarm, as well they should: Microsoft had literally shipped spyware to its customers.

July 24th, 2006 at 11:47 pm
Victor says:

Oh, I also have two choice words for Nub-Achilles: “Sony rootkit”

July 24th, 2006 at 11:49 pm
LGC says:

Here is a revelation. I’ve used both PC’s and MAC’s for business purposes during the last ten years of my career and I won’t crap on either one. Hands down…a MAC is more bullet proof yet it’s not full proof – oh and they are more expensive, better looking and I personally think the OS is better than XP.
Regarding PC’s: Anything I can do on a MAC I can do on a PC and the differences are minimal. The reason that 92% of the population uses Windows is because they own the market and their software and hardware is less expensive. I choose the Ferrari (MAC) over the Corvette (PC) if I have the money, after all whens the last time someone came into your house and said “Damn dude” nice computer, I’ve never seen anything like it - doesn’t happen when you have a DELL sitting under your desk that you bought at Walmart for $399 and it has more viruses than Harlem has crack whores.

July 25th, 2006 at 11:08 am
Sherri says:

Honestly…I get compliments on my self-built PC and Alienware laptop all time. Neither of which has ever had a virus, btw.

July 25th, 2006 at 12:49 pm
Victor says:

Sherri wrote: “I get compliments on my self-built PC and Alienware laptop all time. Neither of which has ever had a virus, btw”

Sure, but are they running Windows? If you’ve got Windows Genuine Advantage installed, what you now have is in some ways worse than a virus — unless you don’t care about your privacy or consumer rights. As cited in #213 above, “Apple, for example, does not burden users with Product Activation or any similar anti-piracy technologies in its Mac OS X operating system” which suggests they don’t treat their customers by default as suspected criminals, unlike a certain twice-convicted predatory monopolist we know.

July 25th, 2006 at 2:44 pm
Victor says:

More on the Windows “Genuine Advantage” for all of you who can read:

http://www.gripe2ed.com/scoop/story/2006/7/24/8477/16185
“I’m with a small firm that purchased 15 Dell Optiplex 160Ls on a single order a couple of years ago,” the reader wrote. “They came preinstalled with Windows XP on them. Now, all of a sudden, Microsoft is saying that their licenses are invalid. And - to make things more exciting - they’ve dimmed the Automatic Updates settings so we can’t change them to Manual. One by one, all of the machines are becoming unusable.”

Where do you want to go today? Mafiasoft product activation hell?

July 25th, 2006 at 11:23 pm
Victor says:

Continuing #219…
“We have spent approximately $3000 in additional labor costs to reinstall and reactivate our Dell Optiplex machines… We’ve decided that it’s actually much more cost-effective not to apply any Microsoft security updates ever again. We simply can’t trust that a security update is what it says it is any more from Microsoft. We’ve disabled access to Windows Update via Group Policy and have removed any and all vestiges of the Microsoft Antispyware/Windows Defender trojan from all of our machines.”

In #192, Sherri had written: “I like the PC guy better because he seems more reliable and friendly” — riiight. Reliable and friendly. Whatever.

July 26th, 2006 at 12:23 am
Victor says:

http://www.infoworld.com/article/06/07/26/31OPcurve_1.html

Apple… is one step away from turning the Mac into the world’s first universal x86 platform. Thanks to Parallels Desktop, an $80 virtualization solution… every Intel-based Mac will run every 32-bit x86 OS, from DOS to Longhorn Server, from FreeBSD to Suse Linux Enterprise System, at (truly) near-native speed and with no need to reboot to switch OSes… Apple owns bragging rights for selling the only box that will run all popular commercial and open source operating systems. You can’t possibly imagine how fast Windows (or any x86 OS) runs as a guest of OS X Tiger.

July 26th, 2006 at 12:45 pm
Sherri says:

Good grief you post a lot. How do you have time with all the “fun” things you can do with a MAC? Anyways, I just wanted to say please don’t twist my words around. I clearly pointed out that the GUY IN THE AD seemed friendly and reliable. I didn’t say a damn thing about whether or not PCs were. Thank you.

July 26th, 2006 at 1:05 pm
Victor says:

Sherri wrote: “How do you have time with all the “fun” things you can do with a MAC?”

It’s called multitasking efficiently.

July 26th, 2006 at 1:55 pm
Victor says:

Sherri wrote: “I clearly pointed out that the GUY IN THE AD seemed friendly and reliable”

And so? The point was that “friendly and reliable” are impressions we can have of a _person_, even if behind the scenes they’re secretly plotting to rob us. Now, the people in the ads are personifications of the computers, not of the users. So what does that say about “friendly and reliable”? You seem to have missed the whole point of the ads — as well as of the spoof.

But then, you get compliments on your self-built PC and Alienware laptop. That’s all that matters, right?

July 26th, 2006 at 2:01 pm
Victor says:

Jon Gruber wrote in Broken Windows:

http://daringfireball.net/2004/06/broken_windows
The security disparity between the Mac and Windows isn’t so much about technical possibilities as it is about what people will tolerate. And Mac users don’t tolerate shit.

But Windows users put up with Windows Genuine (dis)Advantage? So the “Shut up.” and the “Stop Making Fun of Us.” would seem to imply

“Just let us treat our paying customers like shit.” Ouch.

July 26th, 2006 at 6:09 pm
g2 says:

the mac guy doesnt have a gun, because none are compatible with his system.

July 28th, 2006 at 3:12 pm
Victor says:

g2 brilliantly suggested: “the mac guy doesnt have a gun, because none are compatible with his system”

The Mac guy doesn’t need a gun — he’s wearing a Kevlar shirt — and besides, the other fellow’s gun is already jammed anyway.

Is that the best you can do, g2? Make ignorant statements trying to poke fun at a platform you seem to know little about? Impressive. NOT!

July 28th, 2006 at 9:33 pm
ephedra extract says:

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July 29th, 2006 at 12:24 am
g2 says:

victor- Its obvious that many others feel the same way i do, but i’m not a defensive person. its all in good fun ;p

peace

July 29th, 2006 at 11:34 pm
Obie1 says:

First time caller…

What an interesting pissing match!

Some good points have been made, but some people are a little too emotional here. I scanned the postings, and have gleaned some good info, but I’d like to get something that is a little more succinct. I have a situation and a question:

Situation:
I’m just a regular guy who works a regular white-collar job who has lots of other things to do, like raising a family and spending more time with life than spending too much time on the computer. I don’t have a lot of time to go high-end and intense. I don’t want a Lada, nor am I wanting all the Maserati has to offer. My computer needs aren’t huge, and I see the computer as a tool and not a way of life.

I like to manage e-mails, use the word processor to make up student activities and tests (I’m a teacher), manage my digital camera, and download and archive music. I do my taxes, buy some stuff on e-bay, and may wish to do banking and so forth. The computer is a means to an end, not the end in itself. Games? I’ll eventually let my wee’uns get into PS2 or something like that, but for now it’s play- road hockey, baseball, etc.

Questions:

1) anyone tried both Mac and PC for similar stuff recently, and how did it go?

Consider
-switching and importing existing files
-ease of use,
-crashes,
-security,
-media creativity, and
-life of usefulness (how long before it becomes obsolete- in the
case of PC as well, as it can be also time to
scrap it for a whole new computer)

Can anyone help?

July 30th, 2006 at 4:17 am
Bigbriggs says:

Never had a prob with a PC!!
Knock on wood, and till i do then no need to learn
somthing new.
Windows works Great keep the Norton updated everyday and never have any issues

July 31st, 2006 at 5:05 pm
Victor says:

Obie — since you asked, and since I use a Mac AND a PC — while there are great (and free) programs like Google’s Picasa for Windows to manage your digital images, the Mac comes with iLife, w/c includes a Picasa equivalent (iPhoto), and well-integrated programs like iMovie, iWeb, etc. so that they work together more seamlessly than Windows counterparts (e.g. MS Windows MovieMaker). I’ve been using PCs since 1983; Macs have a longer useful life — my primary digital image repository is a 6-year old 400MHz PowerMac G4 running MacOS X 10.4.7 (latest), and with 1.5GB RAM it’s perfectly usable for Photoshop CS (I do some retouching, etc.). There’s thousands of malware for Windows, and a handful for the Mac. Microsoft Office files transfer easily between Mac and PC (except for Access). Mac resale value is higher.

July 31st, 2006 at 9:02 pm
Victor says:

Continuing my previous post — my 6 year old son downloads games over our wireless home network onto his 5-year old 500MHz iBook G3, and I don’t ever worry about viruses or spyware. The current MacBook starts at US$1099, less for you since you’re a teacher and are entitled to an educator discount. No need to buy anitvirus or antispyware software, but do get at least 1GB RAM. Both WinXP and MacOS X rarely crash — if they do, it’s usually a driver issue. MacOS X tends to be better at multitasking because of its UNIX core. If you plan to do online banking, the Mac’s default web browser, Safari, has fewer currently exploitable vulnerabilities than Internet Explorer, but not all banking websites may support it (check with your bank). As a tool for digital media, the Mac, out of the box, is more capable than the PC.

July 31st, 2006 at 9:10 pm
(star)NIX HeD says:

honestly, the thing with the whole mac vs pc arguement isn’t the hardware (the iMac with Core Duo is easily as powerful as any comparably priced pc, if not with VAIOS and HPs that are now the overpriced bastage children). i will get my two cents in though - while macs used to be insanely over-priced, they’re now completely competitive in both price and hardware.

now for the main event. everyone goes on about how much mac os sucks and yaddy yaddy yadda. “there’s nothing for mac os”, “everything’s too over-priced”, “there’s no drivers for what i’m using”, etc. counterpoint-

1) would you want to use windows xp on anything less than a pIII/1 ghz? probably not. having said that, i have a couple of old macs that i either use or have sold (beige g3, blue and white g3, powerbook g3 wallstreet) with processors ranging from 233 mhz with a 512k cache to 450 mhz with a 1mb cache, and all loaded with os x 10.3 or os x 10.4. and the thing about it, they’re all very usable (although i wouldn’t wish imovie hd on anyone with the slower wallstreets). from my point of view, the last good windows os was windows 2000 with service pack 4. it does most of what windows xp does without the overhead, and is also much more stable. install firefox, and you’re browsing securely. if you want to compare os to os, windows 2000 is the closest thing microsoft has to compare to os x 10.2, 10.3, and 10.4. (10.0 was bad, i’ll admit it, but 10.1 was somewhere between average and good).

2) there are about 12,000 some-odd programs for mac, not including some unknown open-source that is directly ported from *nix codebase. while some of the goodies from windows are missing (bearshare is the one i miss the most), there are a lot of things that are available that work just as well, if not better (and personally, i like word and powerpoint on my digital etch-a-sketch). oh, and that whole incompatable thing? os x has a os 9 emulation later on ppc computers, and intel macs emulate a g3 pretty well, to the point where most everything works.

3) take a look at an intel imac. then look for a comparable windows pc. when you add a widescreen flat panel, large hard drive, ati x1600 graphics, and a dual core processor, the imac starts to look like a good deal. and most desktop pcs don’t come with built-in bluetooth and wireless. and if you need windows, there’s always bootcamp or parallel’s desktop (i’ve used both, and unless you’re gaming, parallel’s desktop is better).

4) all the powerbooks and powermacs i’ve worked on have belkin wireless g cards in them, either version 3000 or 4000; neither version claimed mac compatability, and they all work just fine. so you can’t use that cheap walmart webcam…there’s plenty of other non-apple cams that work just fine. external usb and fw hard drives? work great. my comcast/motorola dct-6412 hd dvr? i have it connected via firewire to my beige g3 right now, and it worked the first time…with the winxp machine, it was one massive struggle to see it not work. in fact, the only things that don’t work with my macs are apple-branded serial/parallel printers such as a lw select 360 sitting on my desk collecting dust. that’s cool though…the hp laserjet 4320tn i have works just fine.

i’ll be the first to admit that os x isn’t perfect (no os is), but i’ll also admit that you can’t judge a book by it’s cover. i used to loathe mac os because my expiriences were always on IIsi computers that were 8 years old, but reflecting back to 1996 and 1997, i don’t remember pc’s that old that ran a 32-bit gui os that well. so please, if you’re going to use that old “it’s a mac so it’s not compatable” line, think twice. there’s a lot more to mac than you think.

August 1st, 2006 at 3:06 am
Obie1 says:

Thanks, folks. Rational, practical, relevant to today and for the immediate future, and something I can mull over with objective eyes.

And for the overly-emotional ones- IT WAS JUST AN AD BASED ON COMEDY!!!! If you want true outrage, you youngsters check out the cover of the first issue of National Lampoon magazine! Have a good’un, one and all!

August 1st, 2006 at 5:24 am
Skyler says:

I have triple boot set-up on my laptop of XP, OS X, and Gentoo linux. I switch between them because they all have advantages. OS X is best for things like video editing or just surfing the web, Linux is the most effecient/fastest of the OSes, and XP is useful for the myriad of programs that don’t run on the other two

August 1st, 2006 at 11:33 am
Voice of reason says:

I feel bad for all the people still arguing about this.

Macs- Good for education, lower number of hackers, a few nifty features (widgets, etc.)
PCs- Compatibility. I’d say more but I’m tired.
Linux- Good for the scripters/coders/people who like to type long commands. Good for servers.

Something that you should see if you want more of this funny junk-

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August 3rd, 2006 at 6:32 am
zulittle says:

i too, feel bad that u guys still arguing. I am the creator of the image above. and guess what, im a pc. i have a friend who use mac. actually 2 friends. the first one is a very fat girl, the other one is a very thin guy. but they both are nice. the thing is, no matter what machine u use, we are all look the same. haha. that’s not my point, my point is; PC USER KICK ASS

August 3rd, 2006 at 7:39 pm
Victor says:

zulittle wrote: “I am the creator of the image above. and guess what, im a pc”

You instant message a PC? Gee, no wonder your language skills are abysmal. Human beings (at least, intelligent ones) can usually write better than you do. I guess your post only proves that no matter what a person looks like, their words will be a far better indicator of their human qualities, and from what we can see, you might need professional help, or medication.

“PC USER KICK ASS” = cruelty to dumb animals

August 3rd, 2006 at 10:27 pm
Victor says:

Voice of reason wrote: “PCs- Compatibility. Linux- Good for the scripters”

Uh, dude, Macs are now Intel-based so they have the biggest software library: apps for MacOS X, Win32, and ‘nix can all be run. For example:

http://www.infoworld.com/article/06/08/03/32TCparallel_1.html
“On an Apple MacBook Pro with a 2.16GHz Core Duo CPU, my test machine, Windows XP SP2 rockets from cold boot to desktop, with the wait cursor gone, in twelve seconds, and launches commons apps instantaneously.”

Got that, PC users? Okay. Good.

August 3rd, 2006 at 11:54 pm
Victor says:

On Wednesday, I had to visit a client who was in a panic over pop-ups that had taken over her display — including some pretty lewd solicitations. It seems her 5-year old son had managed to download a “codec” that is used to piggyback malware. Despite the fact that this was a fully-patched XP SP2 box running Firefox 1.5 as default, and had Symantec AntiVirus 9 Corporate Edition, Spybot 1.4 and AdAware 1.6 found various things to nuke (and not just cookies). Meanwhile, my 6-year old son downloads games on his 5-year old iBook G3/500, and I don’t worry about spyware, adware, or other crap polluting his computer. I don’t want to deal with Windows repairs when I’m not being paid for it. Fixing other peopls’s PCs? That’s what my Microsoft certification is for. Ch-ching!

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August 6th, 2006 at 8:23 pm
you're all sad says:

I thought I’d check to see how many people took my advice on stopping arguing over this. I thought I might see a few more posts after mine. What do I find? A LOT MORE!!! Not only that but one person who apparently has spent a long time on here, called Victor, is even bad mouthing my other post!!! (I’m choosing words very carefully here) Well first of all, as for some opinions are based on knowlege, what difference does it make? Its still an opinion. I prefer PCs in my OPINION!!! Even if i was to learn EVERYTHING about Macs, PCs, Linux and all the other stuff, it probably still wouldn’t change. Call me ignorant all you like, but saying that some opinions are better just because someone may have a little more background knowlege! Its kind of like placing a guess, and placing an educated guess. One sounds better, but really your still guessing. Oooo, it’s 10 past 3 in the morning here, I should probably sleep before dawn. Before I go I just found a nice phrase in a book I recently bought called ‘Labyrinth.’ It’s in a different language so thyere should be a lot of dots about the es and things but…
‘Ten perdu, jhamai se recobro’
Translated this means…
‘Time wasted can never be regained’
Think about that. Come on this when there’s NOTHING better to do. I’m not wasting time, because there really is nothing left to do. I mean its now a quarter past 3 in the morning and I’m suddenly tired for some reason. Oh well, good nite! And if anybody bad mouths this comment!!!!!

August 11th, 2006 at 6:17 pm
Reinhart says:

Well, I use both PCs and Macs. I don’t really prefer one over the other. Both do what I need them to do and that’s good for me as far as I’m concerned.

As for Macs not crashing, well… I’ve had Macs crash before, including OSX. They don’t happen often, but they do occur from time to time. And, as far as Windows crashing, they don’t happen that often to me.

In regards to both machines, I do try to take care of them by performing weekly or bi-weekly “housekeeping” and using only quality hardware and software from good sources.

It is really pointless to fight over it since it’s even better to be able to use both or more and be all the better for it over everyone else who insists snobbishly on only one. - Reinhart

September 16th, 2006 at 10:32 am
Max Payne says:

I use both a Mac (2000 iMac 500 MHz G3) and a HP with a P4.

I just find the mac to be a much more reliable machine. It’s never outright crashed on me, screwed up a disc, lost a recording session because of *pick your reason here*, and it seems to boot up faster than the brand spanking new HP.

I do agree with some of you: It’s up to one’s preference.

They both have stregnths and weakness’s, but out of preference and what I use the computer for, I’ll hang on to my old faithfull mac.

October 15th, 2006 at 1:38 pm
Reinhart says:

Glad to hear you are having such luck with your old G3, “Max Payne.”

That kind of sounds like the experience I’m having with my old 1999 model Toshiba Satellite Pro laptop with its lowly PIII 450 CPU with XP freshly installed two years ago. It takes a small while to boot up but, other than that, it’s been rock solid and has never, EVER, crashed on me.

Like my Macbook Pro, that old Windows machine “just works.”

As for your troubles with your HP, the company that made your computer is the reason why it’s having problems. HP/Compaq quality stinks!

For laptops, I’ll only stick with Sony, Toshiba, Panasonic, Apple, or a laptop *I* can build myself.

For desktops and towers: Apple for Mac (since there isn’t much choice right there) and what *I* build with my own two hands with true quality parts *I* may select for Windows. - Reinhart

October 20th, 2006 at 8:40 pm
dalieu says:

Please… It’s amazing how Apple is able to form a cult. People won’t take shit from Microsoft, but when Apple makes a mistake it’s ok…

October 27th, 2006 at 12:46 am
miralina says:

I love all these pc users that make fun of the mac only having one mouse button. You can plug any mouse into a mac and it will work with no configuration… any number of buttons. The one mouse button thing was like…over 10 years ago.

November 25th, 2006 at 8:23 am
Andrew says:

I’ve used Microsoft software since the late 80’s, and in the mid 90’s I made the switch to Linux. (Happy days) Around the time OSX came out I bought myself a new PowerBook. I still enjoy Penguin power, but I’ve never touched a PC with Microsoft software since 1996. You people that have never tried an Apple computer have no clue what you’re talking about.

December 4th, 2006 at 12:32 am
STOPmac says:

Un-Virusable
Un-crashable
Un-Sinkable????
Nothing is perfect. Sorry

Sorry, kids. I work on BOTH MAC and PC all day long and MACS ARE NO BETER!

They crash on me, they freeze on me, and they are NOT Un-Virusable.

And no, they are not compatable with ALOT of duel software.

If anything they are just more expensive. Which makes them an elitist toy… and that’s all.

So, you go enjoy your MAC iPhone while you drive your MAC Mercedes and haf the Apple Tattooed on your forehead to show how much “better” you are for owning a MORE EXPENSIVE computer with a cooler design… it doesn’t make the product any better.

If MACs really are any better, than why do only 4% of the worlds population use them?

March 7th, 2007 at 11:08 pm
coldwar23 says:

LMAO!!! If only Gates had been smart enough to STEAL UNIX like Jobs…. lol Yeah try to piece a Mac together. I think a true ‘people’s computer’ is one that costs what is feasible. You guys are talking Model-Ts vs Porsches. Yes, I have had to use both at work. The “Humanisitic approach” of the Mac leaves something to be desired. I like my boxes boxy and me names self-descriptive. A HDD is a HDD not a ’storage buddy’. I don’t need my hand held but my grandma on the other hand… oh yeah she plays her solitaire on XP and she can’t crash it. OEM OSs are BS. MAC/LINUX you need to talk to Bell labs/SCO and stop being so smug. I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYHITN SO IRONIC AS THE YOU STOLE IT BLAME GAME. IF ANY COMPANY DESERVES TO BE A QUASI TRILLIONAIRE IT IS XEROX. We ALL owe them.

Now, as for work experience…. They all suck in their own particular way??! Yep. They are all good at their own thing. Might be better if the *nix kidz would actually write better drivers on smaller distros instead of spending their Bulgarian time writing virii for the masses. And Dell, if you listen fix that whole default password thingy. Makes the whole thing a joke for starters. That might help. Screwdrivers call!!!

March 12th, 2007 at 10:34 pm
Jackinyouthere says:

Un-Virusable
Un-crashable
Un-Sinkable????
Nothing is perfect. Sorry

Mac are the best pc on the planet. No blue screens, no Windows xp map of 8GB, good working stable software.

http://www.jackinyouthere.com

March 24th, 2007 at 11:27 am
Rozzi says:

Intel Q6600 @3.2Ghz
nForce 680i
8 GB SLI DDR2 RAM
2 gForce 8800 GTX Ultra in SLI

Good luck finding anything like that on a Mac for less than 3 or 4 thousand dollars.

Go on, just try and beat the benchmarks.

July 30th, 2007 at 4:56 pm
Michelle says:

Get my satellite card on a Mac..oh wait no….how about my webcam, nope….how about my DJ suite for shoutcast? nope

here’s a couple of facts…PC’s are more versatile than Macs

Windows does not need to be reinstalled all the time…i haven’t reinstalled windows xp in over a year, neither have i crashed in over a year, neither have i had a virus in over a year

I used to be a hacker…and you know what? THE REASON WHY MACS ARE MORE SECURE TO HACKERS IS BECAUSE, WHAT HACKER IS GOING TO SPEND A MONTH LEARNING TO HACK ON A MAC WHEN THE ODDS OF EVEN RUNNING INTO ONE ARE BEYOND SLIM!!….I know of people who can and have hacked OSX tiger in 10 minutes and have root access, more access than in Windows. I’m sure that once the market share gets high enough, macos WILL have the same problems with viruses and hackers as windows does….take this from a has been hacker.

Whatever is available for osx is usually available for linux or windows, if it’s even wanted/needed. Whatever is available for PC’s is not always usable on a mac, hardware or software.

September 6th, 2007 at 9:23 pm
Nick says:

Three reasons i hate Macs and yes i have used many, up to a very crash-prone iMac running OS 9:

1. ‘Sorry, a system error has occured’ (can only restart, takes forever, Windows simply closes the offending program, it does NOT take down the entire OS like Macs)

2. Sad Macs, iPods. these are very stupid, and as if Apple, Inc was trying to piss you off, add in the sound of ‘death chimes’ and breaking glass too. do they love adding insult to injury?

3. Lack of software support, even today and high prices for the same results. are they pretending to be Rolex?

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