May 4th, 2006
UPDATE: Spammer Desperately Tries to Undermine Blue Security
By David Johnston
Contributing Writer, RealTechNews
In what appears to be a last-ditch attempt at scaring subscribers to Blue Security’s “Do Not Intrude” registry, one very prominent spammer has started to resort to scare-tactics targeted toward members of the Blue Security community. I received one of these emails today, and while it sounds forboding it is, as one Blue Security community member said, “like a sheep in wolf’s clothing”. Here are the relevant contents of the email:
Update #1: The Blue Security website has been hit by a DoS attack and is currently down, though their software is still working. If you’re interested in more reading on the subject, you can look through this excellent article on Blue Security.
Update #2: I have yet to receive a single additional spam email to any of my email addresses. The promised increase in spam has yet to show up for me, though others are reporting more heavy spamming, especially of notices similar to this one. The Blue Security website continues to be under attack from spammers, but I was able to get through for a few minutes to see that they have posted up a new message to spammers saying that they will not back down and will continue to fight against them.
Update #3: While reading the comments keep in mind that Fred, Mark, Laurie, Ronald, Killthem, SpamKing, Rick, Frank, and Paul are all the same person. This same spammer used the same person’s computer to post all of his comments under these various aliases. You should also notice the similar spelling and grammar mistakes in all of his posts.
Update #4: One of my email accounts has started receiving bounced spam messages indicating that the spammers have started using it as the “from” address on their spams. My other 3 protected accounts have seen no activity, I’m assuming because they weren’t on this spammer’s list to begin with.
Update #5: It appears as though Blue Security is slowly but surely bringing their site back online. I can now access the members’ area and log in. My Blue Frog software is also connecting again. If you want to sign up, but haven’t been able to, you should be able to do that now–barring any new, unforseen attacks on the website.
Hey,
You are recieving this email because you are a member of BlueSecurity (http://www.bluesecurity.com).
You signed up because you were expecting to recieve a lesser amount of spam, unfortunately, due to the tactics used by BlueSecurity, you will end up recieving this message, or other nonsensical spams 20-40 times more than you would normally.
How do you make it stop?
Simple, in 48 hours, and every 48 hours thereafter, we will run our current list of BlueSecurity subscribers through BlueSecurity’s database, if you arent there.. you wont get this again.
We have devised a method to retrieve your address from their database, so by signing up and remaining a BlueSecurity user not only are you opening yourself up for this, you are also potentially verifying your email address through them to even more spammers, and will end up getting up even more spam as an end-result.
By signing up for bluesecurity, you are doing the exact opposite of what you want, so delete your account, and you will stop recieving this.
Why are we doing this?
Its simple, we dont want to, but BlueSecurity is forcing us. We would much rather not waste our resources and send you these useless mails.
Its simple, we dont want to, but BlueSecurity is forcing us. We would much rather not waste our resources and send you these useless mails, but do not believe for one second that we will stop this tirade of emails if you choose to stay with BlueSecurity.
Just remember one thing when you read this, we didnt do this to you, BlueSecurity did.If BlueSecurity decides to play fair, we will do the same.
Just remove yourself from BlueSecurity, and make it easier on you.
Gena Elmore
This sounds scary, but it’s not as bad as it sounds. Blue Security’s email address registry remains secure contrary to what this spammer would have you believe. The way subscribers’ emails were obtained was by checking the spammer’s own list of emails against the Do Not Intrude registry. Normally spammers will get the emails of those who subscribe returned to them and will then remove those emails from their spamming lists. This one, however, has taken another approach. Instead of taking those hits off of his spam lists, he is sending them these intimidating emails.
What’s so funny about this approach is that if you do remove yourself from the Blue Security registry, you’ll still receive normal spam from this spammer. He has no intention of taking your email address off of his spam list, he just wants you to stop fighting back against the spam you already receive from him (Blue Security only goes after spammers who send spam emails with no opt-outs to its members). Emails like this are proof that Blue Security is getting noticed by these spammers by making it unprofitable for them to continue sending their unsolicited mail to unwilling recipients. Recently Blue Security has made great strides toward its goal of eliminating spam for its users. On the account where I received this email, I used to receive over a dozen spams every day. Recently, within the past two weeks, I have seen spam to this address slow and almost halt. Today I’m averaging just one or two spam emails daily.
I personally hope that this email has the opposite effect from what this spammer wishes. Hopefully, more people will sign up for the Do Not Intrude registry, and make Blue Security even stronger. Learn more about how Blue Security is fighting spam here. You can also read a lot of the current stories of success against the spammers in their blog, here.
Aaron says:
I’ve been using Blue Security for a few months now and I’ve only seen my spam go up. Today there was a huge jump, from around 30 messages daily, to close to 200. About 30 of them were the message you quoted. I just uninstalled Blue Frog.
May 1st, 2006 at 6:22 pm
David Johnston says:
I’ve never heard of numbers that extreme. The most I’ve seen people report on BlueSecurity is about a dozen, and that’s over multiple addresses. I’ve only received one. In any case, just sending these messages and being forced to check the Do Not Intrude registry is a waste of the spammer’s resources and money.
May 1st, 2006 at 7:26 pm
Jason Hull says:
hmmm… I received the same email. I can’t even get to bluesecurity.com right now. Sounds like a war has begun, I hope bluesecurity wins.
May 1st, 2006 at 7:39 pm
Josh says:
I noticed the failure of the blue security site as well… I think that spammers have now crossed the line(doubly so) with these threats… I uninstalled blue frog initially, but as soon as the blue security site is back up I am reinstalling… Down With spam!
May 1st, 2006 at 7:44 pm
David Johnston says:
I have been able to access the site all day, but it has been very slow. I’m betting they’re getting hit with a DDoS attack.
May 1st, 2006 at 7:52 pm
DangerNerd says:
Hello there,
I have received quite a few of these. So far there are about 4 versions of this spam floating around.
If people give in to this extortion… it will be a nightmare.
The people running blue-frog are OBVIOUSLY impacting the spammers money. When was the last time you saw a tactic like this? Never, that is when.
To those that would be discouraged, I would say this: Nobody could have possibly created a stronger endorsement for the Blue Frog if they tried.
Be brave, stick it out, back a system that works and you will be the winner.
There are more of us than them. Soon there will be millions of Blue Frogs installed, thanks largely in part to this fantastic advertising campaign the spammers are running. When a million opt-out requests hit a spammer… well, you can see why they are freaking out.
DN.
May 1st, 2006 at 7:56 pm
MisterX says:
I deleted my account after finding out what bluesecurity really do… I analyzed traffic on my router and found out that my computer was doing DDOS attack to couple servers. I think that spammer are bad but I prefer stay on the legal side.
MisterX
May 1st, 2006 at 8:16 pm
yup says:
Well yeah MisterX, that’s the point. Blue security launches DDOS attacks from it’s users computers to the spammers that dont respect the opt out list. That’s no secret. And it’s not illegal. I think half these comments are slipped in here by spammers to try and distort the truth by making slue security look bad. They are getting desperate. Join the fight and download the software if you havent already.
May 1st, 2006 at 8:28 pm
freecode says:
I think that the spammer is doing what the article says (using the registry), but what this piece fails to mention is that BlueFrog therefore has weaknesses. I had already uninstalled it prior to this recent spat. It was drawing syn floods about a week ago, slowing my PCs and I never saw any tangible benefits from using it (our SPAM flows did not drop).
Now SPAM is waaaaay up (due to this attack) and I don’t find their solution very useful - actually more like painting a target on yourself because they made this available to Spammers to target users. Any database of user information like this only gives these illegitate asshats a target list. I think it was a good idea, but the treatment is no cure, it’s just lipstick on a pig. It doesn’t improve the situation and the resulting side effect is nothing more than more SPAM.
I tried to bring this to their attention when I removed the software because of the SYN Floods, but no one ever responded from Blue Security. I still have that email and it irks me that no one seemed to listen. I expect more from a company to protect my privacy - instead, it lured those wanting to stop SPAM into being SPAM-magnets.
Saying this attack is a victory is a bit like Baghdad Bob saying “There are no US troops at the airport”. If this is victory, I sure don’t see it. Instead, if this registry is that easily compromised - then the model needs to be re-thought. Go back to the drawing board - the professional spammers are hitting every proxy they can to blast crap at those of us who even tried this idea. Somebody wake up Blue Security - they seem to have fallen asleep at the switch.
Have a nice day all, but I am going to seek other antipsam methods - this one fails the basic security test of keeping user information private, and that’s just plainly a poorly thought-out process. If this is that easily available and accessible by spammers -it’s not a cure, it’s just a contagion-accelerator.
Have a nice evening.
freecode
May 1st, 2006 at 8:34 pm
MisterX says:
Yup: DDOS attacks are illegal no matter who you attack and I’m not into it. When you download the software it’s not clearly mentionned about thoses attack. I remember this little canadian guy with nickname ‘mafiaboy’ who closed down couple of big site, he got sued at criminal and he lost. A company based in USA would not be able to keep such software up long time. I run a ISP in Toronto, Canada and spam is a big problem. Actually im going back to norton spam filter and it’s much more convenient (and legal) than bluesecurity. Anyway I gave my 2 cents this site is not a chatboard but a place to leave comments.
May 1st, 2006 at 8:36 pm
Marcelo Meiado says:
I received 9 of these emails, in 3 different accounts. First, I tought that could be a good idea, but it’s a freaking nightmare. Yeah, I wanna fight spam, but it does sound like users are the soldiers in this stupid war, and our e-mails are at stake.
This is bad. Now my email account is gonna be filled with garbage AND i’ll be attacked.
Yes, we are millions, but they have the resources to wipe our asses out of the computer. BlueSecurity site is not even online anymore, that’s the kind of power spammers have.
And, btw, they are ddosing spammers with OUR resources, and no, it’s not legal. DDoS is DDoS, it’s a crime in most civilized countries and believe me, one can get in some serious trouble with this.
My fellow friends, I’m quitting bluefrog. I dont wanna take sides in this stupid war.
May 1st, 2006 at 8:45 pm
David Johnston says:
The method being used to “attack” members REQUIRES that you ALREADY be on the spammer’s list. So, you really aren’t losing anything though this. The spammer already has your address. By uninstalling the Blue Security software all you’re doing is ceasing to fight back.
As for the legality of Blue Security’s methods, they go through all of the normal methods first. They do everything possible to contact spammers and ask them to comply with its users’ opt-out requests (which are a legal requirement for spam emails). A spammer only has problems if he does not comply with this. When a spammer is targeted, his site is not brought down. Blue Security uses the Blue Frog software to submit opt-out requests in one form or another. I also highly doubt that any spammer would be brazen enough to take Blue Security to court since that would end up revealing all of the laws that he himself had broken and he’d end up with huge fines and probable jail time.
BTW, I agree with you, “yup”. I’m very suspicious of many of these comments. I have noticed a large decrease in the amount of spam I receive, and I have only received this one threatening email. Spammers have been known to try all kinds of tactics to stop people from installing Blue Security’s software, giving it bad reviews at Download.com and on the Mozilla Extensions site (they frequently have to remove these spammers’ comments).
May 1st, 2006 at 9:00 pm
David Johnston says:
You can also read more about Blue Security’s tactics here: http://www.benchmark.com/news/sv/2005/12_05_2005.php
They are very responsible and also report spam messages to the appropriate government agencies (like the FDA, FTC, and SEC).
May 1st, 2006 at 9:25 pm
Wayne says:
I got the same email, but I know he is bluffing because I have multiple emails registered with Blue Frog and his “scare” mails only came to a couple of them.
The thing is that I know that this guy won’t keep up his threats. How? Spammers by their very nature are lazy. Criminals are always looking for easy money without the need to work for it. Having to put together “hit” lists of Blue Froggers brings absolutely no profit to them. They are exerting effort for no return and they won’t do it for long. It’s like Homer Simpson’s exercise program..1 pushup..2 pushup..I’m tired..exercise sucks.
After the Frog and other programs like it shut them down, I guess they’ll go back to selling candy that they steal from babies or grabbing purses from old ladies.
We’re going to win this war and the Blue Frog is the way to do it. Fight fire with fire.
May 1st, 2006 at 9:25 pm
Wayne says:
It’s funny, I’m reading the comments and it’s fairly obvious that the spammers are spamming the comments here as well.
“Oh, my gosh, Blue Frog has a security hole, I’m uninstalling it right now!” “DDos attacks are illegal and unethical” “The spammers have the resources to blow us into oblivion.oooohh”, omg..could they be more freakin’ obvious?
Folks, it is imperative that we keep up this fight. By uninstalling the Frog, do you think the spammers will remove your address from their list? On a cold day in hell they will; that’s what this fight is all about and it’s a fight worth having. A bunch of low-lifes who would be shoplifting at the 7-11 if they weren’t spamming your @ss all day are trying to bully millions of us who are saying to them “enough is a freakin’ nough”. And our answer has to be, “there are a million more of us than there are of you.” The thought of a million Frog hits on their V14gra website has them p1ss1ng their pants, that’s why they are acting so desparately to try to con people into shutting down their Frogs. Don’t give in; the numbers are totally against them; they cannot win if we don’t quit.
May 1st, 2006 at 9:42 pm
MyrddinEmrys says:
Everytime someone reacts to these attacks by uninstalling Blue Frog, the SPAMmers win a little bit more. Everytime someone reacts by simply forwarding the message to bluesecurity, the world comes that much closer to being SPAM free (or at least, SPAM lite)…
FYI, I’ve seen easily a tenfold increase in SPAM in the last 24 hours, including no less than 29 “warnings” about my participation in Blue Frog. But you know what? I’ve dealt with bigger pieces of s–t than these scum, and I’ll happily deal with a little extra SPAM today in exchange for less SPAM tomorrow.
May 1st, 2006 at 10:44 pm
Stan Miller says:
It is pretty easy to tell the trolls from the spammers from the posts by users isn’t it?
I keep an eye on my computer and it sends at the most one complaint message for each spam I get, that can’t be considered a DOS attack can it? They send me a message and I reply to it asking to be removed from their list… I have to do it using the bluefrog client though as their return address on the e-mail is forged.
They have sent me sevral hundred spam messages today, I just send them on to spamcop and get their servers blocked. Great fun!
May 1st, 2006 at 10:52 pm
RapidFire says:
Isn’t wonderful to see the spammers so mad? I’m delighted.
They’re pissed by the frog, crying and lying in blogs like this one, trying to scare the BlueFrog users. Losers.
I’ve received 30-40 of their hollow threats, but none in the Blue Frog protected accounts! They’re blindly shooting into the dark, using the lists that they already have.
Hey, spammers! Better you start to take your fake viagra by truckloads, because you are impotent to stop the frogs!
The sooner you realize that you must to stop spamming the blue community the better for you. Then you could spam to death to the morons that buy your junk, but without annoying us in the process.
GO, FROG, GO!!!
May 1st, 2006 at 10:53 pm
Richard says:
Blue Security goes to great effort to space out the opt-out requests to avoid the DDoS condition. I see a lot of FUD in the comments. Freecode is especially ill-informed.
All I can say is my spam in my primary account went from 8+ Spams Per Hour to 1/4 SPH.
I haven’t got any of these messages. If you can extract addresses from the Blue Security list, I am on all the versions. Send some of this spam to me so I can help locate your proxies. You have lots of them to spare, right?
May 1st, 2006 at 10:56 pm
Tiberius says:
Yeah uninstall the Frog, go hide in a corner, and pull the rug over your head. Plaster your face with ashes, wear sackcloth! So the spammers are upset, and want to grip. Go for it I say, and take what comes back the other way.
There is no way i am going back to the pre-frog days.
Now if only we could get the Mossad to give us a hand…….
May 1st, 2006 at 11:19 pm
BFUser says:
The reason why the spam went up is, the spammers wants BlueFrog users to think that there is an increase in spams. But really, these spams are all sent from the same guy who sent out the threat.
May 1st, 2006 at 11:29 pm
GunSlinger says:
Messages 15-17 sum it up perfectly, please DO NOT be fooled by this spammer, keep using the frog, he is obviously being hurt by our actions and is resorting to scare tactics in a attempt to salvage something from his ‘business’, the reality is he’s actually helping us fight the good cause.
Why? Well this morning when i got home after work I had 69 spam mails waiting this morning most of them addressed to my BF registered domain, so thats now 69 BF opt-outs making their way to him
Go BlueFrog you’ll always have a place in my system tray
May 1st, 2006 at 11:55 pm
demon says:
Heh, you guys don’t get it, do you? Today it’s just one guy spamming you and you already got so many junk, now imagen an army of spammers, and by army I mean like 20 ppl spamming the shit out of your frogy
let me give couple of numbers so you guys can have a rough idea of what’s going on here as this is gonna be a really huge war and you, the frog keepers, will be the main victims. Now the numbers are:
avg mailer can send at least 10mln emails a day, and what we have here, half a mln email list… heh, so basically the chances are you are gonna get 20 emails from one mailer. Now multiply that number by 20 mailers, what do you get? Correct answer - 400 a day! And trust me, if avg spammer can send 10 mln the advanced spammer’s numbers a lot more, I would say something like 50mln a day… Now that the guys you don’t wanna spam you.
Anyway, like I said, this is gonna be something really big, so you guys better stay out of this mess while it’s not too late. And remember, the spam will never end unless the whole email infrastructure is changed with a genius system in place…
This is just one of the many attempts to stop the spam and will end up like the others…
P.S. Mess with the BEST, die like the REST!
May 1st, 2006 at 11:55 pm
david says:
Hello, Blue Frong ROCKS!!! Keep up the good job guys!
May 2nd, 2006 at 12:00 am
Gkar says:
Yep, the spammers are running scared using these scare tactics (both here and in the emails) - but here’s the upside - all those threats; report them via the usual way to Blue Security - it’s convieniently supplying the IP addresses of their entire spam bot-network to blue security via us (in the email headers) which makes it that much easier to shut down
May 2nd, 2006 at 12:02 am
GunSlinger says:
ok demon lets do the math, you say i could receive upto 400 spam mails a day if i continue to use Blue Frog, so thats 400 reports from me going back, now lets multiply that 400 by the whole BF community 472,848 x 400 = 189,139,200 thats an awful lot of reports isn’t it.
———
He’s blue not green but he’s still lean and mean keep using the frog
May 2nd, 2006 at 12:19 am
rusticdog says:
[quote]Anyway, like I said, this is gonna be something really big, so you guys better stay out of this mess while it’s not too late. And remember, the spam will never end unless the whole email infrastructure is changed with a genius system in place…[/quote]
HA! By spamming people who use spam reporting services, what do you think that will achieve ?
It’s already easier to filter out the emails, as most spam databases have records, and the originating IP addresses are all propogated on SpamCop among other RBL services.
Kudos to the Frog
May 2nd, 2006 at 12:21 am
TAC says:
I’ve seen my spam counts drop from over 120+ per day to around 20.
That little BlueFrog has worked wonderfully for me and I WILL continue to use it.
I see a pattern emerging from reading the obvious spammer messages in this page - they’re actually quite ignorant.
It’s not enough that they’re illiterate, suffer from little education and are obviously the spawn of poor breeding stock. They are now resorting to downright bratty behaviour.
I am laughing so hard.
I just have one word in response to their latest tactics: suffer!
LOL!
May 2nd, 2006 at 12:23 am
demon says:
nope, you guys won’t get it… but you will be the one who’s gonna regret that kept that little tiny frogy in your systray… that’s fine with me though, I don’t care but you guys better get ready for the big changes in your inboxes. I’m done here…
May 2nd, 2006 at 12:26 am
demon says:
“I am laughing so hard.
I just have one word in response to their latest tactics: suffer!”
lol
I’m the one who’s laughing at stupid ppl just like you cause you simply don’t understand of what’s going on here… Yeah, laugh out loud, while u can, cause soon u r gonna cry lol you know why? cause you’r too stupid…
and you know what’s the main idea behind this whole frogy shit? ummm… let me guess, you still don’t get it! I knew it, cause guess why, you’re too stupid! Now, the main idea is to become a really big company using your resources, simpy using you for free to reach their goal, which is to fool ppl with another unsuccessful attempt to stop the spam… yeah, you think they are smart guys, look my spam is lower by 100 but u don’t get the main picture man, get life, grow up and start thinking.
Anyway, since you are so stupid why would kill my time on you, ok go ahead, provide CPU, Memory, B/W to those guys, let them grow up on it and when the time comes they will just drop u and you’ll end up with nothing but 1000+ emails in your inbox every day… lol that’s gonna be funny…
good luck.
May 2nd, 2006 at 12:35 am
Matt Lowe says:
The Blue Security site does appear to have been hit by a DDoS, but the service still appears to be up. My guess is that Blue Frog is going to be VERY busy for the next week or two, but ultimately the spammers are not going to achieve much with this attack. I was shocked to get nearly 150 emails over the weekend, as opposed to the usual 5-10 a day but I shall not be deterred and I hope the rest of the community will remain solid on this too.
Blue Frog is an ethical way of reclaiming our inboxes and, despite being in a turbulent time at present, we shall prevail. Anyone who seriously thinks that by uninstalling Blue Frog they will magically stop receiving these emails is deluding theirself. Spammers are notorious for these ridiculous underhanded tactics and they will continue trying them. Just stay vigilant.
May 2nd, 2006 at 12:54 am
John Corliss says:
Why do people find it so hard to stop getting spam in their email accounts? All you have to do is take down any web pages that indicate your domain and user ID. Then contact your ISP and have them change your user ID (and thus your email address.) Use a series of randomized alphanumeric characters in your new one. Then set up a throw away email address (say a Yahoo! account for instance.) Next, inform everybody in your address book of your new email addresses, being careful to give the main one only to those who can be trusted not to give it away by sending you an “e-card” or including you in a group send without BCCing your address. Use the throw-away account for doing business and requesting passwords. Doing all this will work for a long time, but not forever. When the spam starts re-appearing, contact your ISP and get another email address that, like the last one, contains a user ID that is a series of randomized alpha-numeric characters. I’ve done this and it works perfectly.
May 2nd, 2006 at 1:05 am
Tom says:
You can stop the anti-bluesecurity spam from getting into your inbox if you are running a current version of Outlook: Simply create a rule moving any message containing “www.bluesecurity.com” to the spam folder or delete it (I suggest the spam folder so you can review the crap at your leisure).
Good luck!
Tom
May 2nd, 2006 at 1:17 am
Ryan Whalen says:
I’ll add my voice to the chorus: I started using Bluefrog sometime ago, and experienced a DEFINITE decrease in spam. Two of my addresses have been affected by the recent attack. They were on this spammer’s list, and he has used Blue Security’s Do not Intrude registry to isolate me as a Blue Frog user.
Over the past few days I’m getting quite a few spams from the same source. I continue reporting them all to Blue Security. They are all coming from the same one or two spammers and they are apparently intended to scare me away from using Blue Frog.
I know it will slow or stop soon as it simply isn’t profitable for this guy to waste resources spamming me to inifinty when he could be hawking watches to suckers. They’re just trying to scare away as many BF users as they can and attempt to make the system appear counter-productive. What they have effectively done is shown that they are being negatively affected by BF.
Even if I wanted to stop the spam uninstalling/stopping reporting would have NO result. It’s not like these sorts of people would gracefully keep their word and remove me from their mail list.
May 2nd, 2006 at 1:30 am
TAC says:
–Oh, look now. I apologise for the length, but it was quite necessary.
–Bad, illegible English:
>lol
>
>I’m the one who’s laughing at stupid ppl just like you cause you simply don’t understand of what’s going on here… Yeah, laugh out loud, while u can, cause soon u r gonna cry lol you know why? cause you’r too stupid…
>and you know what’s the main idea behind this whole frogy shit? ummm… let me guess, you still don’t get it! I knew it, cause guess why, you’re too stupid! Now, the main idea is to become a really big company using your resources, simpy using you for free to reach their goal, which is to fool ppl with another unsuccessful attempt to stop the spam… yeah, you think they are smart guys, look my spam is lower by 100 but u don’t get the main picture man, get life, grow up and start thinking.
>Anyway, since you are so stupid why would kill my time on you, ok go ahead, provide CPU, Memory, B/W to those guys, let them grow up on it and when the time comes they will just drop u and you’ll end up with nothing but 1000+ emails in your inbox every day… lol that’s gonna be funny…
>good luck.
–Understandable English:
Hello, I am the one who is laughing at stupid people just like you, because you simply do not understand what is going on here.
Yes, you may very well laugh out loud whilst you can. But soon it will be you who will cry.
And if you would like to know why, it is because you are very stupid.
And do you know what the main idea is behind this whole pile of “froggy” faecal matter?
Let me make a considered guess for you if, perchance, you continue to lack illumination.
–This following bit was quite confusing. But I’ll do my best.
I knew it, because guess why – you are too stupid!
The main idea is to become a really big company using your very own resources for scant return whilst achieving their own goal of fooling people with another unsuccessful attempt to stop unsolicited commercial email.
Yes, you must really think that they are smart people.
“Oooh look! My spam is lower by 100.”
But you fail to perceive the overall picture my fellow man.
Get a life.
Grow up and start thinking for yourself.
Anyway, since you are so stupid why would I waste my “script kiddie” talents on you?
–Here’s what I read between the lines in the last bit:
Go ahead! Willingly provide CPU time, memory and bandwidth to those debonair gentlemen. Let them successfully berate my sponsor to drop me completely, thus leaving me at my own wits to seek alternative income! Let me wilt away and suffer with all the other illiterate and ignorant spammers!
Will you do all this for the purpose of having no spam in your inbox every day?
That’s going to be quite funny!
–Yes. Well. Maybe not quite the impact you were after - except for that last bit (huzzah to you!). After translation it sounds quite childish to me.
–I did my best to convey the electronic scrawling of an under-developed mind. It was nice to see that you ultimately did see it our way and saw the humour in your own eventual demise.
–Good for you.
May 2nd, 2006 at 1:40 am
Johnny says:
Oh my Gosh, spam just got worst, i really don’t wanan be involved with this…and i thought it was bad before.
May 2nd, 2006 at 2:21 am
Greenboy says:
Interesting. I came in today to think “Ah crap, I’ve got landed in the middle of a lamer war.”
Funny thing is - I’ve had the software uninstalled for months, and not used my account on there - so it’s been deleted due to inactivity, but I’m still receiving the spam. I’m not too worried. The delete key’s a handy thing.
May 2nd, 2006 at 3:12 am
redders says:
The spammers are just stupid to even bother spamming blue security members, if they had any sense they’d just remove all of them from their lists as i doubt even one person on the ‘do not include’ register would ever buy from a spammer, also these spammers don’t seem to realise that 99% of their emails are caught and put in the spam filter by most mail services, all blue frog is doing is reporting them, stopping blue frog wouldn’t mean we’d read their crap, it would just mean that we wouldn’t do anything about it. Basically they’d make more money if they removed the ‘do not include’ members from their lists and spammed everyone else…
May 2nd, 2006 at 3:19 am
Wayne says:
Just came into work and happy to note that my Frog is in full battle gear submitting opt-outs to another low-life. Go Frog Go!
Spammers, I realize that most of you are sociopaths, so maybe you want even remotely understand this, but the Blue community is never going to let you get away with spamming its members. We know your threats are empty. What are you going to do? Fill up our Bulk mail folders? What a joke. You can send 500 emails a day to our Bulk folders and you know what we’ll do? Drink our coffee, click 1-button to report all 500 to the Frog and drink some more coffee. Ah, life is good.
May 2nd, 2006 at 3:36 am
freecode says:
Wow,
So, not only will anyone not respond to the query about the syn floods attacking the blue frog tool, but now I am called “especially uninformed”? Jesus H. folks, if this is how the Blue Frog community respond to any criticism - then I am happy that I uninstalled the tool. It did not reduce any SPAM noticeably for me, the SPAM kept coming.
This attack has stopped (apparently for now - gone back to sending the crap pr0n and other useless garbage it seems) in its direct threats, but if you think that a DDoS is legal - you are ill-informed. Anyone involved in such activities willingly is engaging in a criminal act.
I have no tolerance for Spammers, but if we sued the ROKSO Top 200 we would be better off than engaing in anything even remotely illegal. If there is even the slightest chance that what Blue Security is doing is considered illegal, I will not use that methodology. If you want to really fight this, then work with the FBI on the CAN-SPAM violators and report them for their activities.
I applaud your efforts to stand against SPAM, but I won’t be joining you when there are better legal methods for dealing with these folks. If we knocked off the Top 200 from ROKSO - 80 -90 % of SPAM (globally) would cease.
You may be feeling angry because of the actions of this spammer, but it is not even close to how I feel when I made a comment to the vendor and did not receive a reply to the concern over the syn flood and have now been attacked with SPAM because I only *tried* the tool. It is a violation of my privacy and it pisses me off to no end. Further, the stupid replies saying I am ill-informed comes off as nothing more than arrogant bullsh*t.
I prefer working with Law Enforcement to end this mess - I know that to be legal and above-board. I would gladly bring a class-action suit against this spammer or assist the government in shutting him down. I have zero love for them, but I am not going to take it from the other side either. It’s your party - I may have accepted the invitation once, but I think the concern I have is legitimate - and no amount of screaming otherwise is a realistic answer - it’s grandstanding. If you want to attack me because I am speaking up about my own experience - then you are not that far removed from the behavior of the spammers.
I am not advising anyone to change their behavior - they are free to choose their own path. I am telling you about *my experience* and I am surprised by the commentary. I would expect that the company would have responded when I submitted that comment as to *why* I was removing the tool, but I heard nothing in response. So far, still the same.
When this attack started, I informed law enforcement, told them it was a developing situation, and have passed it on directly to the cybercrime division through a special agent. What you have done to stop the attack is claim that you are “winning” at something. There is no winning here, unless the spammer and DDoS attackers are stopped, caught and prosecuted. Everything else is ill-informed bullsh*t.
Have a nice day all.
freecode
May 2nd, 2006 at 4:43 am
KingOFthePOOPeaters says:
I work for a spammer.
So I am really getting a kick out of most of these replies.
Some of you guys are very good at making it sound like you know what you are talking about.
But trust me…. You don’t.
I think you just want to make yourself sound smart, when in reality you dont know what you are talking about.
This is how bad info gets passed around.
If you dont know about the topic….Dont make yourself sound like you do.
Cuz some farkers beleive anything they hear.
May 2nd, 2006 at 4:43 am
RapidFire says:
Hi demon. Do you sell only V|agra or have also pills to “increase your IQ”?
From your comments it seems to me that you could use the IQ pills. Oh, are they fake too? Why I’m not surprised, reading your whinnings and hollow threats? LOL
So your powerful spamming ring can send me 500 junk mails each day? No big issue. Before the frog I was receiving your crap adverts by the thousends. Daily. So I won’t be scared by your tiny thing. Eat your viagra and take our frogs bites like a man (if you can, in spite of how much fake viagra you gulp).
Oh, BTW. Let the spam coming so SpamCop and other RBL’s can block your entire zombie network. I’m sure that your “sponsors” will be happy like hornets seeing their business go by the sink, and hopefully they will blame you and the other bragging idiots like you. Maybe one of your sponsors get so happy to give you concrete boots and a trip by the botton of the river. You will be -not- missed.
Regards, moron.
May 2nd, 2006 at 5:11 am
Scott says:
Blue Security is for suckers.
May 2nd, 2006 at 5:19 am
Inglix the Mad says:
I use the frog and have received 3 of these. I laughed at every single one of them. They must be pretty desperate if they’re sending me that garbage instead of small cap stocks, penis enlargement ads, viagra, cialis, and other drugs, free software, cheap software. Gosh I could just go on.
My spam is down over 75%. Considering I used to get anywhere from 100-200 messages a day (after filters) that’s pretty impressive.
Blue Frog is not perfect, and part of me wishes they had called it the “Blue Badger”
May 2nd, 2006 at 5:31 am
Brad says:
The spammers scare email does ask one question that I’ve always wondered. How are these “Russian Jews” making money? They don’t charge to join or download the frog and they don’t have advertising on the website.
Perhaps they are making their money from spammers.
I know these guys by the way and they are not to be trusted. Very shady. The whole “U.S. office address” but they are really in Israel? What’s up with that? I know for a fact that their “office” in California is a Post Office box….does that sound reputable?
Also, I have to believe that “David Johnson” the “contributing writer that wrote this supposed “news story” is really on the payroll of Blue Security.
Just wondering!
May 2nd, 2006 at 5:33 am
Just Another Frog says:
In addition to the frog, all my spam is forwarded to my ISP spam investigators and the FTC (SPAM@UCE.GOV for the rest of the gang). Please send all warnings and spam to kseise@iwon.com. My filters look forward to hearing from you.
Is the frog a DDoS or just a bunch of individuals with simultaneous opt out requests? I don’t think I am using any illegal tactics in having BlueSecurity tell me where to send the op-out requests.
May 2nd, 2006 at 5:42 am
David Johnston says:
Blue Security got a $3 Million investment from a venture capital firm. They plan on making money by selling their services to companies and corporations. I am certainly not on the payroll, I just like the lower amount of spam.
In fact, I’ve only received that one threatening email so far. I didn’t get any spam at all after that or overnight on that account. One of my other accounts received a single spam. That’s about it.
May 2nd, 2006 at 5:49 am
stu black says:
OK - can someone answer me this: How come today’s attack (at about 1am UK time) came thru’ my inbox rather than being filtered out as spam which is what normally happens? Just curious.
FYI, the spam I receive is probably about 50% of what it was before I signed up. May be just coincidence, but this attack seems so desparate, it probably isn’t. So I’ll stay registered.
May 2nd, 2006 at 5:49 am
stu says:
OK - can someone answer me this: How come today’s attack (at about 1am UK time) came thru’ my inbox rather than being filtered out as spam which is what normally happens? Just curious.
FYI, the spam I receive is probably about 50% of what it was before I signed up. May be just coincidence, but this attack seems so desparate, it probably isn’t. So I’ll stay registered.
May 2nd, 2006 at 5:50 am
RapidFire says:
Brad, if you were really interested in knowing “How are these “Russian Jews” making money”, you would have gone to Google and searched by “blue security million”.
The first instance is:
http://www.benchmark.com/news/israel/2005/04_04_2005.php
and there is explained the Blue Security business model and “where they got the money”. This info have been available in the net since 4 april 2005.
But you’re not really interested, are you?
May 2nd, 2006 at 5:50 am
Jonathan says:
Just throwing in my 2 cents… I received about 18 spams in one of my inboxes registered with bluesecurity and none of the others. My overall spam has decreased incredibly over the last few months. The frog works!
May 2nd, 2006 at 5:57 am
Brad says:
My My Rapid Fire - you certainly have no problem jumping to the defense of the wondering Blue Security folks.
Why the fake U.S. office address? If they are doing such a great service for the U.S. email audience why don’t they base their business in the U.S.? Or if they are only in Israel why not just say that?
No axe to grind here - and no blind defense of either side - just think the whole thing is a little fishy -
May 2nd, 2006 at 5:57 am
David Johnston says:
These messages are probably not being caught by your filters because they’re not your traditional spam email. They don’t link back to any spammer’s website, and they’re remarkably well-written. They may also be using a larger botnet to send the spam, so it’s originating from IP addresses that the filters don’t usually see.
May 2nd, 2006 at 5:58 am
Inglix the Mad says:
Umm, Brad, they probably do have a US Business address. Kind of like how the company I work for has one in Canada, but it’s just a postal drop.
You do that for a variety of business reasons, but the most common is so that mail can be bulk shipped to you.
May 2nd, 2006 at 6:04 am
PsychoHazard says:
The funny thing is, I hadn’t been a member until I started getting these threat-spams. I figure that anything that pisses off and scares the spammers enough to make them resort to these tactics has to be worth something.
Oh, and lest I forget…
I wanted to respond to something demon said:
“P.S. Mess with the BEST, die like the REST!”
So you’ve seen Hackers a few times. Oooh scary.
I ph34r ur 1337 h4×0r 5ki11z.
No, really, I’m shaking in my boots…
Ok, that’s because I am laughing so hard, but you take what you can get in this life.
You want to use scare tactics and toss around idle threats? Go for it.
Take this message to your people, spammer:
BRING IT!
May 2nd, 2006 at 6:05 am
Inglix the Mad says:
LOL PsychoHazard.
I showed this to a couple of people at work. Now every single one of them is signing up for the frog.
This is the best free advertising they could have asked for!
Oh and demon, I laugh as I fart in your general direction.
I just have this urge to stick my fingers in my ears and go “nyahh nyahh nyahh!”
May 2nd, 2006 at 6:10 am
David Johnston says:
Yes, it seems that at about the same time as this spammer started sending these intimidating emails, he started a DDoS attack against the Blue Security website. It was up yesterday, but slow for most of the day. Then it went down in the evening and hasn’t been up since. I can report, however, that this has not stopped the Blue Frog software from functioning
May 2nd, 2006 at 6:28 am
Tom Edwards says:
I’ll link this post on a few of the forums I go to.
Also, who else is going to be donating to Blue when their site comes back up?
May 2nd, 2006 at 6:51 am
Bill M says:
I don’t use Blue Frog — I have other means of avoiding spam that seem to be working. THe thread here is fascnating though. A couple of comments:
For the spammers — 1) I believe your threatening e-mails would be illegal as extortion in any country, regardless of whether the Blue Frog tactics are legal or not. 2) The fact that you respond at all to the tactics shows that your business model is vulnerable. 3) You should figure out that anyone going to the lengths to allow their PC and bandwidth to be used send volumes of messages is never going to buy anything you push.
For the anti spammers — 1) Don’t confuse poor English with stupidity. The spammers may be nasty and immoral, but not necessarily stupid. 2) Keep your means on the clean side of legal, regardless of the temptation. “Never wrestle with pigs. It gets you dirty and the pig likes it.” 3) Be sure you understand the business model — many of the spammers are paid for messages sent, not product sold, much like traditional advertisers. The best offensive weapon is to educate everyone to NEVER BUY ANYTHING they see advertised in an unsolicited e-mail. When the money dries up, the spammers will blow away.
Cheers!
May 2nd, 2006 at 6:54 am
Marva says:
I got two of the emails (so far) and I’ve never signed up for Blue Security so they sure as heck aren’t getting the email addresses from the Blue Security database. They must be using their own spam lists.
May 2nd, 2006 at 7:47 am
Devin says:
I’m actually quite amused that they are telling people to remove themselves from blue frog security but it is not possible for them to do so because they currently have their website shutdown…..
May 2nd, 2006 at 8:09 am
mcsolas says:
I am getting spammed like crazy since all this started happening.
Cant speak for others, but I am getting way more spam right now. They do all seem to be related and thunderbird is picking up the hint on the bayesian filters finally.
Hope they sort this out soon!
May 2nd, 2006 at 8:15 am
Pirate says:
People are so stupid: DOS attacking spammers, are you guys serious? Blue Security does not DOS attack anyone, especially not with your personal computer. Stop believing / creating myths.
Uninstalling software *you* chose to install because of a spammer - sheesh, get a backbone.
May 2nd, 2006 at 8:17 am
Devin says:
I also am getting a high degree of spam at the moment, but the address they are spamming primarily was receiving so much it was highly unusable anyway. Another interesting point is google’s spam filters are already filtering out their messages anyway. I love GMail for your domain =)
May 2nd, 2006 at 8:24 am
fred says:
too : 69
I’d like to tell you one thing.
Hardly i can belive that someon can stop the team’s and people who involved in spam.
I do have friends they spam and and they have KING’S life, i know alot and reading alot as well, so far they lead the world all that projects spamhaus and some many others, cant effect on them, they have money they have power they have all they need.
my persona opinion.
May 2nd, 2006 at 9:33 am
fred says:
too : 69
I’d like to tell you one thing.
Hardly i can belive that someon can stop the team’s and people who involved in spam.
I do have friends they spam and and they have KING’S life, i know alot and reading alot as well, so far they lead the world all that projects spamhaus and some many others, cant effect on them, they have money they have power they have all they need.
my persona opinion.
May 2nd, 2006 at 9:42 am
Jimmy says:
I’m going to check it out as soon as I can get the site to come up.
May 2nd, 2006 at 9:47 am
Ar says:
Been using bluefrog for 1 month now. My average spam has gone down from 20-30 a day to 10-14. Somedays i get 5. So i am happy with the service.
Got these threatening emails and here is what i did. I added 3 more email acocunts to bluefrog.One of them gets 1200+ spam a day and i had abandoned it long ago, but now i am gona use it to report.
As for clock cycles. Guess what slimeballs, I am leaving 3 PC’s switched on 24/7 from now. Enjoy the flood :p
May 2nd, 2006 at 10:19 am
Random Thoughts says:
BlueSecurity E-mail
So I got this letter in my e-mail about BlueSecurity.com, a anti-spam service I signed up for. Anyone else get this???
Hey,
You are recieving this email because you are a member of BlueSecurity (http://www.bluesecurity.com).
You signed up because…
May 2nd, 2006 at 10:22 am
Pope Ratzo says:
After hearing about this story, I’ve decided to definitely become a user of Blue Frog and supporter of BlueSecurity.
I’m not the least bit worried about these threatening emails because I’ve got SpamSieve running and it does a great job. I’ll designate the first threat I get as spam and I’ll never see another one.
I wouldn’t even need Blue Security, but I’m so angry about this threat by spammers that I’m going to not only use Blue Frog on every one of my email addresses at home and at work, but I will recommend that all my friends and associates do the same.
I do NOT appreciate threats. The quickest way to make me an enemy is to threaten me, and that’s exactly what the spammers have done.
May 2nd, 2006 at 10:37 am
Pope Ratzo says:
I hope you all are able to see which of the above comments are from spammers, pretending to be Blue Frog users. MisterX for example. Arabella too, probably.
They’d love us to believe that there are terrible consequences to fighting back. The truth is, Blue Frog is causing spammers a lot of problems, or they wouldn’t be going to this extent.
That alone will make me a loyal user of Blue Frog. In fact, I intend to sign up for dozens of accounts just so I can use Blue Frog on them all and cause problems for spammers. This is war.
May 2nd, 2006 at 10:40 am
Pope Ratzo says:
You should all be aware that there are several quite effective anti-spam programs available for Macs and PCs. I’ve tried a few of them and I’ve bought SpamSieve for my own Mac. I see so little spam since then that it’s just not an issue for me any more.
But I’m attracted to the idea of making life unpleasant for spammers and that’s why I’ll join Blue Security
May 2nd, 2006 at 10:46 am
Just Another Frog says:
I have added three new computers to my little 24-7 bluefrog cluster. They really have nothing better to do than to say hello to spammers for me.
My ISP will not shut me down. That is what the A in ADSL stands for. Asynchronous. They throttle the upload speed. The beauty of the bluefrog is that we don’t need a big fat high speed connection. We just need a lot of other users to opt out at the same time. Every bit counts in that situation.
Do not trust an email from your ISP. As the spammers have taught you, headers can be faked. If you think there is a problem, call them. On their real number. Don’t wait for them to call you. They wont. The spammers might. If you do get a call, feel free to talk to them for a long long long time.
Every minute they waste fighting the opt-out request is time wasted from real spamming.
This is great publicity for Bluefrog. Go spread the word.
May 2nd, 2006 at 11:31 am
Inglix the Mad says:
I’ve posted my copy of the message (one of the spammer messages I received) in the IT department at work. So far every single person who has seen has commented: I’ve got to join that!
Go Frog GO!
May 2nd, 2006 at 11:56 am
Milek says:
I am happy to be part of Blue community
GO FROG GO!
Database is not breached!
Spammers are using their old list! (my “Blue” addresses are not compromised!
Do not fall for their desperate warnings! (think why whould they send them other than they feel fear…)
Spread a word about blue community!
Maybe it is a Judge Day for them!!!
Be part of this…
May 2nd, 2006 at 12:07 pm
NPG says:
1 Spammers sent me mail I didn’t ask for about junk I don’t want.
2 I put a frog on my workstation ( becaming a soldier in this before it was even a war ).
3 Spam decreases
4 Spam increases ( in the last 48 hours ) mostly intimidation form spammers.
5 Our command post ( bluesecurity.com ) comes under seige.
THE WAR IS ON
Now that we are officially @ war with the spammers, every workstation in our domain is being issued a frog.
May 2nd, 2006 at 1:13 pm
Rob says:
Go BLUEFROG!
It’s thrilling to see things really ramping up. Even all the messages from spammers on this website are good news — they’d much rather spend their time earning money than this frantic damage control:
* posting tons of messages in forums everywhere, such as here and slashdot
* and using up their bandwidth and server time spamming *only* people who are guaranteed not to buy anything.
* and sending threats that go way beyond simple CANSPAM violations and start breaking serious, better-enforced laws.
Every day this goes on their money is draining away, and their chances of ending up in prison increase. Of course, many of the larger spammers already filter out our addresses; it’s only the smaller guys who, I guess, don’t know how to use a simple API to scrub their lists - they are really getting burned.
After all, it only takes one mass mailing that gets your biggest customer piles of complaints (and a server too busy to take orders!) to lose that customer, lose your reputation as a successful spammer, and eventually lose your shirt.
I’ve been a blue frog member since the early days, and there’s no question it’s been effective. The past day or so has seen a bump, of course, but pretty much everything is automated by now so I don’t even see them.
Obviously (not sure if this even needs to be said…) no issues with the frog taking up my bandwidth, no complaints from my ISP, no legal concerns (since it’s not a DDoS, just one complaint per spam I get), no spam to my listed addresses that weren’t already getting spammed (meaning database wasn’t breached), etc..
Anything else? BlueSecurity does have a business model (they will be charging eventually for full-domain protection; they’re current charging for full coverage for businesses; they got tons of venture capital). They don’t have to charge for small guys like me, because it’s a win-win partnership: I build their list and their clout, and in return they reduce my spam and help me feel like I’m doing something useful. Their main facility is located in Israel, if I remember correctly from their website (why would they keep that secret?), though they have employees and board members from all over the place.
Cheers, and to my fellow BF members: keep up the good work!
-Rob
May 2nd, 2006 at 1:18 pm
duvell says:
After reading all the comments in this thread I decided to take some action based on the information I read. The “warnings” being sent are indeed extortion. So I went to the FBI website and found an online form for reporting internet related crime.
http://www.ic3.gov/complaint/
If you want a fairly easy way to report this and get the FBI’s attention this is a good way to go.
I have a very low tolerance for spam and will fight it by whatever legal means is available to me. I have ZERO tolerance for threats.
May 2nd, 2006 at 3:19 pm
David Johnston says:
Sounds good. Blue Security also reports spammers to the government authorities in case you were wondering
May 2nd, 2006 at 3:28 pm
Alex says:
Before this, I never heard of blue security.
When their website comes back up, im downloading blue frog.
May 2nd, 2006 at 3:29 pm
AlphaCentauri says:
A internet business that wants to generate sales via spam will go to the spammer who gives the best value. Why use someone who will charge you to send your message to the 500,000 recipients with addresses in the DNIR that will cause you trouble and will never buy anything, when you could use a different spammer who will send it to people who are at least indifferent and potentially are customers? The guy who is threatening the BF community members is losing business to his competitors by refusing to allow BF to help him clean his lists.
Why wouldn’t he just get his lists cleaned as well? Because he fears more than just getting his clients reported to their ISP’s. He is likely involved in illegal activity, and Blue Security is reporting him to various law enforcement agencies. He’s making money by stealing people’s identities or selling kiddie porn or other activities of that type. His income doesn’t depend on how many messages he sends, but on how many people’s credit card numbers he can steal. He is worth fighting, and a few more hundred spams, all forwarded to BF and deleted in one keystroke, is a small price to pay.
As far as whether BF constitutes DoS, every LEGAL spam in the U.S. must have an opt out address. If every recipient contacted every address, the response would be equal. BF is merely assisting me by researching the correct opt out addresses for the ILLEGAL spams so I can opt out of those, too. And it acts as a proxy so I don’t have to confirm my own email address to opt out. It is merely allowing me to exercise my legal rights under CAN-SPAM. And by the way, BF does not bother websites whose spam is CAN-SPAM compliant. The only ones complaining can’t complain in court since they would have to admit they are violating the law.
May 2nd, 2006 at 4:04 pm
Michael says:
I received about 30 spam emails after getting the threatening spam. But, I have not received any for the last several hours. I assume my ISP caught up with them as the emails were directed to me and other members of my ISP via CCs.
In any event, my frog has been working overtime. I also reported the threatening spam to the FBI and the FTC.
May 2nd, 2006 at 4:27 pm
Mr. B says:
I have tried everything to rid myself of spam. My latest attempt is Blue Frog. Before using Blue Frog I got around 200 junk emails a day, and after using Blue Frog for about a month I can see the number is actually going up gradually. I easily average over 400 a day now. I recommended several friends to try Blue Frog and they have experienced increases too.
Since obviously some people report decreases, I’m curious as to why it doesn’t seem to work for me. I don’t even surf the web very much, let alone visit questionable sites, and I never leave my email address. One thing I noticed from reading a lot of comments online though, it seems the people that experience a reduction didn’t have much spam to begin with.
It could be that there is some critical mass that once reached it just isn’t possible to reduce your spam because it is known to too many spammers..
May 2nd, 2006 at 4:29 pm
laurie says:
Hi.
i dont wanna take sides here but i see here that bluesecurity people posting all the posts not even a single member of bluesecurity here.
i can see as well some spammers posting here.
i personaly not happy while reciving spam.
but i been a member of bluesecurity just to check out the system.
and i think that blueseuciry does many bad and not allowed things.
now the spammers you must stop dosing them and kill the website and all the services.
i understand that they want you to stop and you wont stop because you’re the power at this point.
i had to change my email since this war started i recived today over 50 rotated emails with different subject and email boddys.
we can see that spammers having the power on bluesecurity and bluesecurity cant do nothing to be protected.
thats not how company shall look.
i’m personaly also a member OF SOME PRIVET FORUMS AND AM READING ALOT BOUT THIS BLUESECURITY AND I CAN FEEL THE END WILL BE BAD FOR YOU.
ofcourse i dont wanna take sides nor say who is right and whos not.
just remember both sides stop that.
May 2nd, 2006 at 4:38 pm
David Johnston says:
You should not see any increase in spam due to signing up with Blue Security. When they send opt-out requests, they do not use your email. They tell the spammer to use their tool which allows them to query their encrypted list of emails (both real and fake) with the contents of their list and remove all matches. This would not allow you to get added to any spammer’s lists unless he already knew your email address. The increase in spam is more likely due to something else. I didn’t see an immediate decrease in the amount of spam I received either. It took a few months for my spam to drop down to its current levels. My main email address is fairly public compared to many out there, so I consider Blue Security to be doing an excellent job. I know it’s not my ISP…they say they don’t filter any spam.
May 2nd, 2006 at 4:44 pm
Eli says:
You guys misunderstand the threat… having the software or even the plugin on your computer is not what this spammer believes is the problem, and uninstalling it will do you no good. Even if you uninstall the software, your email is still in BS’ database. Conversely, you could have the software without being in the database, if you never registered there. If you want to give into the threats (because for some reason spam mail actually scares you) then you need to remove yourself from the database, which, ironically, you can’t do while the site is down. I, for one, will see this through until the end, because, come on, it’s just a little spam.
May 2nd, 2006 at 5:09 pm
duah@hotmail.com says:
what bugs me about this blue security app,is it constantly crashes firefox!!
May 2nd, 2006 at 5:28 pm
ronald says:
bluesecurity doing very wrong with the starting the war, i dont care but so far i still recive spam i still recive advertised web sites.
and they websites are up and running.
if you can spammers and seem my post remove me from the lists please i really unistalled the bluefrog i understood the illegal way bluesecurity working and i wont let my computer to be used by no one.
my email sabinennc@aol.com please kindly remove me and stop spamming on me i have posted this msg to several people and they will also unistall if i can be removed from the list and what i shall do please mail me and i’ll follow the steps thank you.
May 2nd, 2006 at 5:35 pm
killthem says:
Show time knock knock
i been reading the forum here.
yes blue security everyone hates you …
telling people bullshit how come such a big company allowes them self to make posts around each forum in the world ?
ok means what ? that you got big heat deep in your ass KTHANKS
ronald be sure that when bluesecurity expires as a company this lists will be terminated for ever. sorry atm you can conatct me at
killthem@bk.ru
and we can see what can be done.
May 2nd, 2006 at 5:48 pm
SpamKing says:
TheWarIsON You already in war which you cant even do anything.
TheWarIsON The database owend by many people if not you wouldn’t be sitting here and watching each forum and each post, how much they pay you 12$ per hour to add good posts from different names on every forum ? 24/7 guy ? ok who cares.
TheWarIsON we both know how deep you went to shit.
TheWarIsON we all know that bluesecurity loosing members and users.
TheWarIsON we all know that bluesecurity started the war with wrong people.
TheWarIsON we all know that what ever you post here alll bullshit.
TheWarIsON we all know that you loosing your mind and your company does the same.
TheWarIsON we all know you guys a group of gays
May 2nd, 2006 at 6:36 pm
Maryon Jeane says:
I had forgotten to reinstall Blue Frog after a complete overhaul of our systems - thanks for the reminder, demon (I’m sure, parsing your posts here, that you are the originator of the ‘bluefrog spam’ we’ve been sent)!
May 2nd, 2006 at 6:37 pm
MileK says:
Ha ha ha what a patetic loser…
killthem… LOL…who you gona kill..ha ha
Yes leave us e-mail please…I will beg you to remove me from your list. Actually please send me as much spam as you like on all my hotmail and yahoo addresses…
killthem…do you feel the antiSPAM heat…or it is just hot in your apartment…
Do not fall for this stupid threat. I am glad that they are pissed off. Remember times you felt like that receiving their spam. Luckily there is lot of filters but blue is blues for my ears
GO FROG GO! Proud member
May 2nd, 2006 at 6:49 pm
KirkBailey says:
Go frog go!
I want to be part of the class action lawsuit! They THREATENED ME! THEY *DARE* TO BLACKMAIL ME?!? RIP THEIR WALLETS OUT! I WANT THEIR MONEY!
(I would never advocate a criminal act of physical violence against them, only a financial one in a court of law.)
THE GAUNTLET IS THROWN DOWN, and THE FROG takes it up neatly. Let the war begin!
GO FROG GO!
May 2nd, 2006 at 6:54 pm
mcsolas says:
I saw an increase 2 times, then nothing after that.
I just blocked em into tb’s spam folder, then reported them to blue. The usual treatment.
Was a bit worried when I got a modified version claiming ( correctly at the time and now too ) that blue’s site was down.
Still not sure what to make of this, I just hate spam.
May 2nd, 2006 at 6:58 pm
Dylan says:
Wow. Such rhetoric and bile about freakin’ emails. Emails, folks. These guys are talking like lowlife islamofascists, but all they do is send email.
What am I supposed to do? Quake in fear that I will have more email? Get real. I can’t believe they actually think this stuff is important enough to care about.
What is an email? It occupies no volume, it is gone forever with the click of a button (worst case) or automatically (best case.)
I would have to receive 1,000,000+ emails per day in order to feel any pain whatsoever from these losers. Let’s see them keep that up for more than 5 mins.
Oh, and a big thankyou to all the ‘ethical’ spammers that have washed their lists with BlueFrog and are keeping away from this shitstorm.
May 2nd, 2006 at 7:29 pm
MileK says:
For those who can not access blusecurity com: (Please spread)
The Blue Independence War
Today is Israel’s Independence Day. It’s a public holiday in Israel, but all of us in Blue Security are working. But we are glad we’re working. We’re helping the community fight the Blue Independence War. We fight for our freedom from spammers and cyber criminals. This is our big chance to reclaim the Internet. We must not let it slip from our hands.
Some desperate spammers are doing its worst to harm our community. They’d like us to back off, and agree to get their spam silently. Needless to say, that is not going to happen. We’re not here to listen to their vile threats and fraudulent advertisements. We’re here to stand up for our right not to be let alone.
You may wonder what you can do to help win the Blue Independence War. Here are some ideas:
Run your frog and report your spam
Tell you friends to join the fight
Write to your local newspaper about Blue Frog
Search for news sites, blogs and forums that discuss “blue security” or “blue frog” and post positive comments
Ask your representative to show support for the Blue Frog
If you have a blog, write an item about the blue frog
We need to be patient and prepare for more attacks. Some top spammers embrace the change and comply. Other spammers believe they can coerce us into obedience. Let’s show them this is not going to happen.
May 2nd, 2006 at 7:34 pm
AlphaCentauri says:
Can someone edit out those email addresses the spammers posted if they can’t confirm them as real? I am very suspicious they are real addresses of BF anti-spammers from this list they are so proud of assembling from pre-and-post washed email lists.
May 2nd, 2006 at 8:29 pm
Yinepuhotep says:
You know, it’s kind of sad that there are still some people in the world who actually believe that spammers have anything that even vaguely resembles ethics.
As long as spammers exist, I will have Blue Frog on my system.
May 2nd, 2006 at 8:37 pm
John says:
I don’t respond well to threats in person or at times like this! They want a fight I will do my part. I got one of these e-mails (at least one that got in my inbox and not my spam box.) The dumb A$$es later sent another e-mail with the same subject line so Gmail made it a conversation. So I went to the web site. (less the add on info in the referral) The company in this e-mail was hoodiagordoniiplus I got there 1-800 number and will call it every time I get spam now and will look for other companies like them. (they are even nice enough to let me press 2 on the phone and get a recording) each time I call they get to pay for the call.
If other people do it also it will cost them lots of cash and as the word get out that a spamer can cost you the companies will stop using them.
Blue Frog was just a side thing I did when I felt like it (or thought about it) but now I will spend 15 min a day making spam less profitable.
May 2nd, 2006 at 9:04 pm
Thraxus says:
Killthem, Crazy, any of you other spammers.
You cannot intimidate someone who was SF. After you’ve been shot at with fully automatic weaponry (ironically AK47’s, BMP’s, and crappy T72’s) and had grenades, mines, IED’s explode nearby. Well you guys are just wasting your breath and bandwidth.
You want me to fear you, it’ll take an armored company vs just me. Your emails, well, they are incapable of physically injuring me junior.
Buck up for the suds kid. Take your medicine and, well, find a different job if spamming is too hard. I hear that Kvir needs some models. You seem to be a catcher, but I doubt that’ll bother them.
Oh and I’m sure those “russian born jews” at bluesecurity.com love all the free publicity you ended giving them.
Congrats on achieving the exaxt OPPOSITE of what you wanted.
May 2nd, 2006 at 9:23 pm
OMAC says:
Hit the spammers where it hurts. Hey you spammers, I installed Blue Frog today and have it protecting all my accounts now. So far today I have reported over 300 spam emails. I am going to take this a step further and blow some gmail invies on fake email address and when the spam starts rolling in to those Blue Frog will be there ready to fight back. YOu want a fight? I am ready to reclaim my inbox!
Also, I think it’s pretty funny how most of the negative posts about Blue Security are by people with no grasp of English…or maybe they have a perfect grasp of Engrish?
You reading this spammers? Your days and bandwidth are numbered!
Blue Frog is now running on all my PCs and protecting all my accounts. Tomorrow it gets installed on my grandparents computer. After that the rest of the family and my friends.
I propose May 1 from this time forward be Blue Frog Day!
Vivat the Frog! Slow and painful death to spammers!
May 2nd, 2006 at 10:36 pm
Ar says:
I added 3 more emails to blue, and surprise, the email spam filters are recognizing the threatening mails and sending them to spam folder so blue can report them as usual.
Also the spam volume has come down. No trouble acessing email
Now from reporting 30-40 spam a day, i am reporting 300-350 a day.
If only more people had a spine and did not drop their pants and bend over ………………………………..
May 2nd, 2006 at 10:49 pm
Kiwi says:
Hi fellow frogs,
Greetings from New Zealand – Kiwi Blue Frogs are ready for whatever comes – bring it on!!
Blue Frogs of the world unite.
May 2nd, 2006 at 11:11 pm
Maako says:
My spam went up from 20 to +150 today..
That sucked..
May 3rd, 2006 at 12:47 am
Eric the Fish says:
My spam went from 40-50 messages a day to around 4. I did get the threat email, but I am keeping my blue frog runnning. Now, I get around 7 messages a day, but I, and I hope most of the Blue Frog Community, will not allow some spammer to win. Keep Blue Frog running and lets shut the suckers down!!
May 3rd, 2006 at 2:30 am
Amm says:
I have been reporting spam to BF last 3 months, but not running the Frog for opt-outs.
This last days made me to turn on the BF and opt-outs, so instead of scaring me to uninstall the BF this threat is now responsible for sending opt-out. I leave my 3 PCs on 24/7 for BF and opt-outs.
I am Norwegian, so excuse my bad english.
May 3rd, 2006 at 2:31 am
Dylan says:
Amm,
Your English is much better than the spammers here.
“OMG I GOTZ 100 NEW SPRAM AND NEVER INSATLL BLEUFROG AGAIN I SO SCARE”
I found myself really looking forward to getting home tonight to check my spam count. I’ve switched on my catch-all to boost the number of spams in my inbox. I never thought getting junk mail would be so fun.
May 3rd, 2006 at 2:45 am
Bob IC says:
I have received 25 of these threatening emails in the last two days. To quote from this email “We have devised a method to retrieve your address from their database”
This is absolute BS. I have two emails registered with Blue Frog - one is normally heavily spammed (yesterday 90 plus - normally 30-40). The other account has NOT received 1 (ZERO) of these emails let alone any other spam. So these spammers are lying when they say they have devised a way to retrieve your email. It’s a bluff.
When I received the first threatening email I understood it right away as a PANIC ATTACK from the spammers. Blue Frog is working and they don’t like it.
While I don’t know who this pissed of spammer is - he is not too bright as most of the new spam received yesterday have the same stupid childish “modus operandi” as his usual spam. He is acting like the schoolyard bully so we should consider this attempt to intimidate the web community as a badge of honor.
May 3rd, 2006 at 3:33 am
Me says:
Lol. What a noob this spammer is. Nothing else than a stupid script kiddie. Yesterday I received 55 spams and I am very happy about it, because he will get 55 complaints now. If he sends spam to 100.000 users, he will get 5.500.000 mails back.
May 3rd, 2006 at 4:05 am
Spammers Beware says:
I am adding 3 more addresses to the BlueFrog since the a-holes think that an idiotic threat is going to deter me. My only regret is that I have now reached my 10 email limit. Stupid a-holes and their stupid a-hole spam mail. Na na na na hey hey hey GOODBYE!!!
May 3rd, 2006 at 4:09 am
OMAC says:
Frank:
“Took me like 30 minuts to read all the posts and comments.
i’m a blue member you can checking me via XXXXXXXXXXX@XXXX.XXX
as i can see only bluesecurity one guy posting here and yes i do see same spelling and same way of comments which all are same.
anyway bluesecurity am out and my computer as well and am sure spammers dont need all bluesecurity people to signout they have some major heat for your company i’ll keep my way.”
Wow you see same spelling mistakes? How could you possibly see any mistakes when YOU can’t even speak the language. Frank or whoever, you are completely worthless and are a waste of space. You aren’t fooling anyone. Spammers like you need to go away and die. Your days are numbered.
Rot in hell Frank and have a nice day
May 3rd, 2006 at 4:15 am
Bob IC says:
Re: Comment from frak-211@hotmail.com. Surprised it only took you 30 minutes to read all the posts. With your level of English I would have thought a day or so have been too generous. Sounds like Russian English?
Nuff Said
May 3rd, 2006 at 4:15 am
PunkTiger says:
I’ve been using MailWasher for years, but I had never heard of Blue Frog until this morning. And reading through all these responses here has made me giggle with perverse glee. As soon as I’m home from work, I’m adding my e-mail addresses to the Blue Frog cause. (Will it run in Linux?)
Hey, Spammers, Blue Frog didn’t start this War… you did. You started it by sending us dozens of offers for “\/|arga” and “c|a1is.” You started it by sending us hundreds of e-mails for child pornography. You started it by sending us thousands of messages for “Original OEM Software, CHEAP!” This War was already going on against your type for years. The only thing Blue Frog gave us was the active voice to say “stop sending me this crap! I’m not buying it!” and the ammunition to fire back when you wouldn’t take “no” for an answer.
How do you like it now that the shoe is on the other foot?
And now, you’ve turned to extortion, scare tactics and deceit; the last acts of a cowardly individual. Thank you for letting us know we’ve got your attention. Now take the hint and peddle your illicit goods elsewhere… if you can find an “elsewhere.”
May 3rd, 2006 at 4:42 am
Blossom says:
Well well! I was wondering why I’d not been able to get on to BF’s site this morning. The spammers must be running scared if they’ve gone on the offensive. BF is evidently hitting them where it hurts… in their wallets… and they don’t like it one bit! ROFL GOOD! My spam has actually gone down about 50% since I put 3 email address on BF but getting threats won’t make me back down, I tend to get stubborn when someone threatens me. So I’ll just sit back and continue to report all my spam to BF and now that I saw that address for the FCC reporting site I’ll just drop them a message with the spam as well. Thanks BF keep the spammers running!
May 3rd, 2006 at 4:53 am
JP says:
There are three kinds of people in a war.
Those that start the war - they are called scumbags
Those that run away - they are called cowards
Those that stay and fight - they are called defenders
and
Those that counter attack - they are called brave
Keep up the war - a Blue Frogger
May 3rd, 2006 at 5:00 am
Amm says:
What can FCC do against a Russian spammer ?
May 3rd, 2006 at 5:14 am
mark says:
today whole morning trying to connect to the internet called my isp been told that my connections reciving huge amount of packets, how they know my ip ?
is bluefrog sending my ip when sending some flood to spammers websites ?
May 3rd, 2006 at 5:16 am
algo says:
Fred is real bozo, have you been to school lately son? Maybe you should brush up on your english, then you might be able to get a proper job and rake in some legal mazuma. Asshole.
May 3rd, 2006 at 5:19 am
Blossom says:
“What can FCC do against a Russian spammer ?”
Well Amm, the FCC can get in touch with their Russian counterparts and hopefully, if enough people complain, put that Russian spammer in jail or they could really hurt him… fine him!
May 3rd, 2006 at 5:21 am
Devin says:
Mark: Unless the frog uses some type of proxy then the websites would get your IP address when you fill out a form and submit it as an ‘opt-out’ request. I would however doubt that they are taking the time to attack blue frog users individually. Run a spyware and antivirus sweep on your computer (making sure to use the latest updates). I recommend spybot and adaware for spyware, it’s good to use both. I think you will probably find that you’ve got infected with a piece of malware along the way. You might even being used as a proxy to send spam or possibly a bot that’s being used to attack bluefrog.
May 3rd, 2006 at 5:43 am
Joe Rich says:
I just went to the blue security web site and followed the link here. Didn’t even know about the spammers threats because I don’t actually read any of it. Just check the subjects of the emails to make sure an email I want was not captured by mistake and then its select all and email to blue frog. I don’t care if I get 20 or 200 emails to send off ( I get about 60/day). I see no other meaningful alternative to the proactive measures of blue security. And these posts here about uninstalling blue frog are such a hoot! Anyone who listens to a spammer’s email or post needs there head examined. Until a payment system for sending email is established or a limit is imposed on the frequency of emailing we have other way to fight back.
May 3rd, 2006 at 6:07 am
mark says:
Devin thank you for trying to help me and solving the problem with me.
i have spybot installed, did the following updated the spybot has scanned the whole system nothing was found.
right now i’, using wireL connection my home connection packeted again, sometimes it just stop’s for few minuts and again loosing connection.
please advice
May 3rd, 2006 at 6:57 am
Zuzu says:
Keep the fight going. Use BlueFrog and kick some butt.
^j^
May 3rd, 2006 at 7:18 am
Ruby says:
I downloaded the Frog a couple of months ago. It’s never crashed Firefox, and the hungry little froggy has eaten up spam from multiple accounts leaving me with a much cleaner inbox.
I knew something was up when I received the threatening emails, (and really, how hollow is a threat from a spammer that he’s going to be forced to send you spam if you don’t stop using Blue Frog? That threat doesn’t even have a soft marshmallow center, just the graham cracker crust of corruption.) That the spammers had been hurt on the bottom line (or the criminal record) by what the Blue Frog community has accomplished.
First the ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you.
Then you win.
But you can’t win if you don’t fight back.
May 3rd, 2006 at 8:05 am
Tangent says:
Oh this is good, I run Linux at home, but am forced to use windows at work. Either way the frog runs great in both environments. For those who are concerned about what blue frog does, download the source code, (freely available for blue frog Linux) and read it for yourselves.
As of today, I’ve been having problems connecting the desktop client, but I’m glad to see the main site is back up with a blog. They may be attacking, but it’s only galvanized my opinion, and made me even more devout to the frog. As for them having compromised the bf database? … that’s a load of bull. I have 3 addresses in the list, and haven’t gotten a single threat message, and my spam rate has continued to go down. It’s gone down to the point where I’ve been able to re-claim two addresses that I’d once abandoned because of spam.
— Follower of the frog.
May 3rd, 2006 at 8:23 am
wiskers says:
HAHA spammers are funny. You guys are really giving me a laugh. A bunch of Russian delinquents selling cheap Asian crap complaining that an Israeli company is helping Americans ignore you. Keep it up arseholes.
Spam used to be an annoyance but now I look forward to getting it. I get tremendous satisfaction forwarding it to the fog. I love knowing that some shady Korean con artist is going to get screwed.
Go Frog
May 3rd, 2006 at 8:50 am
Estong Tutong says:
I have finished reading the article and, at the time of this writing, the first and only visible 132 comments. Finally, I get to comment.
The entire Philippine internet contingent is proud to announce its support in using Blue Frog in fighting spam, its merchants, its technical developers, its technical marketers and its entire mafia.
This is the dawn of a new spam-less era in the 21st-century of personal computers. And hence I spam thee with this little poetry:
I just hope that one day…
All the spam will pass away…
And then I shall email with comfort and ease…
With Fred the Blue Frog helping provide some mind of peace…
Adieu, unsolicited mails, you shall never be missed…
Recur you did over, and was I ever so pissed…
But along came a time as I stumbled upon a frog…
Who gave me hope against thee, made me newly agog…
Although I’m a man, I feel like a princess…
Swept up by Fred, who’s fulfilling my wishes…
Fighting foes, opting-out, shoving rants up their asses…
Complaining here, reporting there, drawing power from the masses…
Fred is no prince and he’s no good kisser…
But he delivers the goods as he keeps up the puncher…
I’m glad I’m no princess and I dream of no better…
I just want my spam to go off and away into the nether…
This has blown out of proportion…
I am so sorry, my friend…
Without further invocation…
Let me bring this torture to end…
May 3rd, 2006 at 8:56 am
Estong Tutong says:
I am a domain owner and I have registered my own domain at Blue Frog. I joined the DNIR (Do Not Intrude Registry) mid-April of this year and I only saw POSITIVE results after a bit more than one (1) week.
The POSITIVE results comprise a notable reduction in spam for my entire domain. The only messages I receive now are mostly the anti-Blue Frog messages by one irate spammer. I have been irate for so many years and for maybe millions of spam I have suffered through. So what’s a few hundreds more if I’m seeing truly the last few hundreds of it?
The websites of Blue Security are indeed down. Its MTAs (mail transport agents) are also down as of earlier today (my GMT +0800). But I trust that, in the end, the community will prevail. I hope Blue Security would be kind enough to mirror their websites with other reliable and trustworthy web-hosting providers so that the technical side of the battle continues to rage on unhindered. Their next release of the Blue Frog should be akin to a torrent client or any p2p client system - for a truly distributed network of anti-spam botnets posting opt-out requests and relaying information to other anti-spam botnets.
Blue Frog, we have faith and trust in you. We will not wilt nor yield. We shall overcome this little and time-limited adversity. We will not be scared. Instead, we will just get angry, mad and even. Goodbye, spam!
May 3rd, 2006 at 9:10 am
David Johnston says:
It’s likely that your computer has been compromised by a virus or trojan and is being used to attack other computers. I would reccomend that you run a virus scan. Kaspersky is very good (http://www.kaspersky.ru/). If you have more than one computer attached to your internet connection, it could also be another machine that is infected. If you can’t find anything, I would reccomend you disconnect your machine from the internet and reinstall Windows or whichever OS you’re using.
May 3rd, 2006 at 9:12 am
cyril says:
Honestly, did anyone not feel happy when the news reports of a russian spammers murder made their way around the globe last year?
May 3rd, 2006 at 9:29 am
Just Another Frog says:
I have my own pathetic little website. My host gave me something like 200 email addresses as part ofthe package. Other than my wife and my main addresses, the rest are catchall type addresses that blindly forward everything to BlueFrog and most recently, the FTC.
The frog runs on Windows and Linux (command line only for now). I believe there is a MAC version also.
May 3rd, 2006 at 10:43 am
Icewarp says:
Bluefrog For the Win! 4TW!
May 3rd, 2006 at 10:47 am
Egamma says:
I really don’t care if my accounts get flooded with spam–the accounts I have signed up with Blue Frog, are the ones I don’t use. My hotmail account, egamma@hotmail.com, is set to “exclusive” filtering, meaning that ALL mail gets sent to the Junk Folder, where it is an easy target for Blue Security and the regular Hotmail reporting.
I merely laugh at spam sent to egamma@hotmail.com, and spam@uce.gov.
May 3rd, 2006 at 10:55 am
Michael says:
My frog is not longer working, cannot resolve the connection with host. I hope this means they are working to resolve issues with the DDoS attack and not that spammer has won.
A technical question. Since my frog is not working, I simply letting MailWasher delete and bounce my messages back to my server. Any point in the “bounce” since the spam messages I am now receiving are ALL a result of this attack and the sender is using zombies to send?
May 3rd, 2006 at 10:56 am
Buaya King says:
I believe the attack on Blue Security and its subscribers are actually conducted by a group of terrorists.
These terrorists are not really interested in making money by selling something. They do not care whether their clients would get into trouble with their spams. They just want to spam you to having nightmares and beg for mercy (and opt out of BF). They just enjoy the power over you.
Contrary to many saying “Blue Security making it unprofitable for spammers to …”, I think Blue Security does not diminish spammers’ profit at all because BF’s subscribers are people who want to complain against spams and would not buy anything from them or their clients anyway. By getting IP addresses and websites blacklisted due to complaints to DNSBL are the reasons for becoming unprofitable for spammers. If spammers use BF’s list and steer clear of these emails, they might actually make more money for themselves and their clients.
I think the attack Blue Security is about power and pride or maybe the attackers simply hate Jews.
May 3rd, 2006 at 11:38 am
etan Y.p says:
mark i have same problem my internet connection under attack at this point.
Internet provider told me the same thing.
My INBOX IS FULL over 300 email’s in last six hours.
any solution ? can someone help to get cleaned from that ?
May 3rd, 2006 at 11:50 am
etan Y.p says:
mark i have same problem my internet connection under attack at this point.
Internet provider told me the same thing.
My INBOX IS FULL over 300 email’s in last six hours.
any solution ? can someone help to get cleaned from that ?
May 3rd, 2006 at 11:56 am
Mark says:
Great idea Egamma. The resistance from the Spammer community makes it clear that Blue Security is approaching this problem from the right direction. All I can say is, “Way to Go Blue Frog.” Keep up the good work. Make the spammers lives miserable.
If only we put the Spammers in prison for as long as the total wasted time the millions of us spend dealing with their spam. If we locked them up for 1 second for each spam message, that should be enough to cover more than just a few life sentences.
May 3rd, 2006 at 12:02 pm
Martin says:
Just don’t give up. And for heaven’s sake don’t uninstall BlueFrog.
The instance I subscribed to BlueFrog, I knew that a DDoS attack or something similar would occur pretty soon, and I also feared I might receive some more spam as usual for some time (who cares? I use MailWasher, and deleting / submitting to BlueFrog is just a click away…).
But do you know *why* this all happened? Because the idea of BlueFrog is so brilliant, that an attack like this is the only step spammers can take to get their incomes back. And they have just crossed the borderline between semi-legal and illegal (which is good, as it allows people to sue them).
BTW, think the system of BlueFrog is *not* an illegal attack. It is what is your right (at least here in Germany), as every single unwanted email has to have an unsubscribe option.
Keep on fighting (and *big* thanks to BlueSecurity)!!!
May 3rd, 2006 at 12:13 pm
Ian says:
I have recieved some deliberately nonsense spam and the warning e-mails but have yet to set up or even install bluefrog!
The spammer is just sending out to members gleaned from the DNI list checks, If only I could be locked in a room with this guy for 15 minutes…. I think I’d be more forgiving of a burglar rather than this intrusive threatening and quite frankly PATHETIC behaviour.
May 3rd, 2006 at 12:20 pm
douwntchezwiturwhine says:
Well up untill a few days ago the spam was down to about a dozen junkmails a day between 5 email accounts listed with blue frog. I was begining to get a bit lax about going into each account every day to report. Now I’m getting about 30 or 40 between those accounts. Now I’m more dilligent about going into each account a few times a day to report spam since now there’s actually something to report.
I was expecting the spammers to try something like this, I’m just surprised it took so long for them to try it, remember that they tried the same thing with spamcop.net, spamhaus.org and a few of the other antispam sites?
This is becoming interesting and I enjoy being in the fight. It would be really great to publish the actual names and addresses of the big spammers on the internet. I’d definately be interested in finding out who they really are.
May 3rd, 2006 at 12:31 pm
Martin says:
Hey guys,
this is better than comedy. I’m absolutely laughing my *ss off!!! Go and fight them, and do it in this humour!!!
And if you ever need v1agar, go and see a pharmacist - you might get some tablets that actually *contain* some sildenafil…
Thanks for making me laugh, I think I’ll have to dry the tears now.
Martin
May 3rd, 2006 at 1:03 pm
Steve hate-the-fucking-spammers says:
3 days ago when i read on the news about spammer fight back and i tell myself the damn spammers are just a silly shit, and i even download this great bluefrog software to my website server in order to kill more spam sites
but this morning, i m so regretful by doing this, that server i installed the bluefrog was pulling high BW and it hog down my server , lag like snail and i found out the server not just doing the spam sites attack but those fucking spammers has fight back which redirect their traffics back to my server and caused that the BW on my servers and my ADSL line on my home pc lag like hell
and i need to reboot each time after few hours, and this made me very incovinient, and i recieved an email from my hosting company which is serverbeach.com, claiming that i pull 6-8mbps constantly and i need to pay for the overage end of this month, this is something i tried to contribute but end up to pay from my own pocket
and now i have uninstalled bluefrog softwares from my home pc & server as i dont have much $ to spend for this fight, as i better off to jerk-off than spending couple hundred for the server BW
but i could say that bluefrog has done a good job, viva blue frog
but just a friendly advise, u should keep an eye on the counter-attack back by spammers, and it might hurt ur BW usage and lag down ur pc/servers , and for those who pay for BW use or need the pc to do other thing, u should keep an eye on this counter-attack issue, it’s a serious problem which will suck up ur BW and slow ur pc/server like mad
hoopefully u could fight spammers along bluefrog without spending ur own pocket $$
fuck you spammers, u are loser!
Steve Hag
May 3rd, 2006 at 1:41 pm
Traveller says:
(With apologies to all involved with the movie “Independence Day”)
“We can’t be consumed by our petty differences anymore. We will be united in our common interests. Perhaps it’s fate that today is the First of May, and you will once again be fighting for our freedom… Not from tyranny, oppression, or persecution… but from SPAM. We are fighting for our right to email. In peace. And should we win the day, the First of May will no longer be known as an Israeli holiday, but as the day the world declared in one voice: “We will not meekly accept SPAM into the night! We will not surrender our Blue Frogs without a fight!” We’re going to live on! We’re going to survive! Today we celebrate our Independence Day!”
Spammers, we who use the Blue Frog are girded for war, a war that you will not win. Surrender now, clean your lists, and LEAVE US ALONE! Or suffer the consequences.
May 3rd, 2006 at 2:41 pm
Jade says:
Ah man! This is the funniest page on the web. Laughing for the last 20 mins and still laughing! Thank you BlueSecurity for this.
May 3rd, 2006 at 3:08 pm
JohnrC says:
This thrills me to no end.
The fact that I’ve finally found something that so clearly p*sses off spammers is a glorious feeling. And we know they’re angry and threatened or they wouldn’t be going to this extent to try to scare people and troll these newsgroups. They’re actually wasting their time because of this!!! Absolutely wonderful.
I will gladly accept a 100-fold increase in my spam if that’s the small price I pay to send these cockroaches scurrying.
May 3rd, 2006 at 3:28 pm
JayG says:
Who do these English deficient spammers think they’re fooling with their stupid claims about how Blue Frog has “damaged” their computers and prevented them from getting online? Do they really think everyone is as stupid as they are?
It looks like the temporary Blue Security site has been hit, too. I haven’t been able to access it for some time now.
May 3rd, 2006 at 3:37 pm
Paul says:
OK people you have the right to think and do what ever you want.
I am out from that blue party, only one big damage from bluesecurity.
No need to comment that i just look at truth.
Spammers not pissed, i am pissed and i never knew spammers have such big power but now i can see and feel it.
have a nice day all.
May 3rd, 2006 at 3:45 pm
David Johnston says:
Okay, here it is; The Hall of Shame:
Fred
Mark
Laurie
Ronald
Killthem
SpamKing
Rick
Frank
These “people” are all the same person. Obviously, this is not a very smart person either since he used the same few IP addresses which are very close together to post all of his comments.
May 3rd, 2006 at 3:46 pm
David Johnston says:
Oops, forgot to add Paul to the list:
Fred
Mark
Laurie
Ronald
Killthem
SpamKing
Rick
Frank
Paul
Thanks
May 3rd, 2006 at 3:49 pm
Paul says:
David Johnston i’m not sure sure bout your last post.
People start talking bout the problems if you on blueseucirty side that’s fine by me cuz am on bluesecurity side as well, but if you read other blog’s you’ll understand that not only blusecurity and bluefrog is the power here.
sorry to say that but as Paul said we must bring up the truth.
May 3rd, 2006 at 3:53 pm
David Johnston says:
The truth is that all of your IP addresses have been from a few IP’s in the 66.185.xxx.xxx range. I won’t post them exactly here, but it’s obvious that you’re all the same person. How’s that for truth?
May 3rd, 2006 at 3:56 pm
mahangttia says:
Hmmm. Not the same person? Look at Post #157
“…sorry to say that but as Paul said we must bring up the truth.”
“Comment by Paul — May 3, 2006″
Spammers… Idiots!!!!
Go Frog Go! All this does is strengthen my resolve to eliminate this vermin from the Internet.
May 3rd, 2006 at 4:23 pm
Anonymous says:
Download the frog. Save the internet.
Propaganda aside, I think roasting a spammer feels greeeeeat.
May 3rd, 2006 at 4:26 pm
John Daggett says:
Hello Fellow Blue Froggers -
Yeah, I’m under attack (hundreds in last 2 days) but it only makes me laugh because Fred’s still got his mask on, kickin’ ass and takin’ names.
United, we have awesome power.
John
May 3rd, 2006 at 4:31 pm
Barb says:
Paul - do you have any idea why the spammers might be so against Blue Security? I’ve been reading all of these posts but none of them address the root problem. Why is it so hard to wash the email addresses??
May 3rd, 2006 at 4:34 pm
Monica Dobbs says:
I got the following email sent to me as a returned mail (one I never sent) Now, I the amount of spam that goes to my (gmail) spam folder hasnt increased. but over the last few days the spam to my inbox has more than tripled! Blue frog is uninstalled for the time being.
“Returned mail”: >
May 3rd, 2006 at 4:43 pm
moonstone says:
well me for one have notice a huge drop in spam since i joined up .but cannot connect to there site odviously blue frog is still down i take it ,good luck blue frog
May 3rd, 2006 at 5:25 pm
Rob S says:
I think this is the greatest thing in the world! It “is” a sort of war. There are the good guys, the bad guys, spammer propaganda–reminds me of the war tactics used by Nazi Germany.
And the amount of aggravation I get from reporting spam to Fred…? NOT! I feel really good when I send in my spam.
Currently Fred is down, but I suspect it will be back up soon.
I am now forwarding all my Fred email to the FTC at spam@uce.gov. Thanks for the tip. It is easy I just click in the sent items folder and forward what was just sent to Fred to the FTC.
Earlier someone asked about a list of spammers. Spamhaus.org has a list with pictures at: http://www.spamhaus.org/rokso/index.lasso
Go Fred!!!
May 3rd, 2006 at 5:52 pm
Anonymous says:
My entire office and household just signed up with the Frog. I’m spreading the word around sooooo much.
I can’t wait for these c***suckers to go down. I’m gonna go get the champagne.
May 3rd, 2006 at 6:01 pm
Rob S says:
FYI: just want to re-confirm that Blue Security’s email database has not been hacked.
I have my domain name, my domain name’s email, my private earthlink address, and a publically unknown yahoo address listed with the Frog. And I have only gotten the “remove yourself from bluefrog database” emails sent to my traditionally “known” email addresses. The other 6 or so private emails–that are actually listed with Blue Frog too, have not received ANY threat spam.
In other words the spammers are lying!
Go Frog!!!
May 3rd, 2006 at 6:25 pm
Bob White says:
My friends who got me started with Blue Frog have two sites listed. They did not know anything was wrong as they heve not received any of these threats from the spammers. That just proves to me that they are lying in their teeth. I would love to see them in that Federal prison along with Zacarias Moussaoui. 23 hours in a solitary cell sounds about right.
May 3rd, 2006 at 7:02 pm
Mr Gourd says:
It seems all my posted comments have been erased and new ones are not getting posted. What’s going on here. I have valid Blue Frog positive comments and now they are gone.
May 3rd, 2006 at 7:25 pm
Dylan says:
Please note that if your messages are being removed from this blog, it could be part of the automatic protection applied to the blog. (Scroll down to the very bottom of the page to see the reference. As I write, this comment number is 169, and the note at the bottom of the page says that 2786 comments have been removed.)
Because this process is automatic, ou shouldn’t take it too personally.
I wouldn’t be too surprised if this message goes too!
May 3rd, 2006 at 7:36 pm
enkid says:
First they “advise” us to take our addresses off the “do not spam” list, else they’ll spam us with easy to filter messages… and then they make it impossible for anyone to take their addresses off by blowing blue security’s web sites off the internet.
May 3rd, 2006 at 7:59 pm
John Smith says:
Spammers seem to understand that DDOS attacks are illegal and like preaching about that. But then, they DDOS the BlueSecurity. Now, how is that for stupid. Do you spammers really believe that your DDOSING won’t get investigated by authorities and be traced back to you?? God!! You Spammers are stupider than I thought. That is like physically assaulting someone and assuming that the person won’t report the assault to the authorities and press charges.
May 3rd, 2006 at 8:18 pm
Jason says:
“First they “advise” us to take our addresses off the “do not spam” list, else they’ll spam us with easy to filter messages… and then they make it impossible for anyone to take their addresses off by blowing blue security’s web sites off the internet.”
just goes to show you how full of bs those spammers are
May 3rd, 2006 at 8:20 pm
David Johnston says:
No person has deleted any comments from this thread (though I have censored some of the language in a few). Your posts probably got picked up by the spam protection we have. Since anyone can post a comment, we were getting a lot of spam comments. This “Spam Karma” plugin has really cut down on the spam comments (as you can see, it’s caught close to 3,000 of them and we haven’t had it for too long), but it unfortunately catches a small number of legitimate comments as well. I’m sorry if your comments have been erased, don’t take it personally. We’re just trying to protect ourselves from spam
May 3rd, 2006 at 9:02 pm
Rob S says:
That is a good point. I had actually considered removing my Blue Frog account for a few days–just to see if the spammers would remove me from their mailing list. Then, if they did not, I would just reinstall Blue Frog.
But… the spammers, by their own actions, COMPLETELY prevent ANYONE from removing their Blue Frog account. Just goes to show you they are not good for their word.
This whole thing is just a manipulation tactic and an attack!
Blue Frog the hell out of them!
May 3rd, 2006 at 9:08 pm
Andy Huang says:
I’ve gotten an increase amount of spam over the past two days. From around 20 per day to 100 per day. I’m still submitting them to blue frog, but my frog haven’t done anything since the software update. If your spam load didn’t increase, I really envy you.
May 3rd, 2006 at 9:58 pm
Joe says:
I have also received lots more of spam… argh… I hope BlueSecurity will do something to stop this attack…
May 3rd, 2006 at 11:23 pm
Amm says:
Fred is not reporting anymore, upgraded Firefox to 1.5.0.3.
May 4th, 2006 at 1:02 am
Arfa says:
Hey! Spammers!
Sticks and stones may break my bones,
but Spam will never hurt me.
(Although it is a bit annoying. Never mind though, because I’ve got my Blue Frog to help me. So, every time you send me another piece of spam you get an opt-out request and possibly a complaint to your advertiser and your ISP. The opt-out requests stop when the spam stops or is that too difficult for your feeble brains to work out?)
May 4th, 2006 at 1:13 am
Arfa says:
Hey! Spammers!
Sticks and stones may break my bones,
but Spam will never hurt me.
(Although it is a bit annoying. Never mind though, because I’ve got my Blue Frog to help me. So, every time you send me another piece of spam you get an opt-out request and possibly a complaint to your advertiser and your ISP. The opt-out requests stop when the spam stops or is that too difficult for your feeble brains to work out?)
May 4th, 2006 at 1:16 am
Barb says:
The spammers really don’t appear to be too bright. IF they keep the frog down or continue sending even more spam than normal, maybe they should think just a little ahead to what our next options are.
We do not want spam.
We did not ask Blue to “protect” our email addresses - the spammers already had them. We just asked for help on opting out. If the frog goes down (which I really doubt will happen), I would guess that the GOVERNMENT will eventually create a Do Not Email Registry. Only they will not be half as nice as Blue about it. If you spam, your website is yanked off the web and you are heavily fined and/or go to jail. Simple really. It took a while for the telephone Do Not Call list to come about but it has been 100% effective. There were screams and wails from the telemarketing industry but I do not get unsolicited calls EVER. It is just a matter of time before the same concept is used on email. Good luck, spammers. People are just tired of seeing the same stupid emails over, and over, and over, and over again.
If Blue is down for very long, I would encourage everybody to start a letter or email campaign to their appropriate government official and demand that a Do Not Email Registry be started. This spamming nonsense has gone on far too long.
May 4th, 2006 at 3:54 am
JayG says:
In an article from the AP:
“‘Do-not-spam’ registries work by encouraging users to submit their e-mail addresses Blue Security says it has 450,000. Before sending out a batch of messages, spammers are supposed to remove any addresses appearing on such lists.
“The lists are generally encrypted so spammers can’t mine them for new addresses. Instead, spammers run their lists through an identical encryption algorithm, and the resulting fingerprints are compared. Spammers can then remove any matches.
“But John Levine, co-author of “Fighting Spam for Dummies,” said spammers merely have to run their lists, see what’s been removed and compare that with the original to find out the addresses on the “do-not-spam” lists.
“‘It’s only a surprise that it took this long,’ Levine said.
“Eran Reshef, Blue Security’s chief executive, said spammers must already have the e-mail address to learn it is on the “do-not-spam” list.”
So what’s really happening here? Which scenerio is it?
May 4th, 2006 at 4:01 am
AlphaCentauri says:
Removing your address from the DNIR wouldn’t stop the spam attack and joe jobs, even if you could get onto BF’s website to do it. The poster who said he did that is obviously a lying spammer (yes, I know, there is no other kind).
The spammer who extracted the list of discordant addresses (those on his pre-washed list and not on his post-washed list) posted the list on the web and sent it to his spammer friends. I don’t expect he will be posting updates of which addresses to stop attacking.
To see who we’re dealing with, see the copy of the the conversation from the spammers message boards (yes, they actually have them — who else can they socialize with?) which is posted at Castle Cops here:
http://castlecops.com/postx154070-0-15.html
Killthem even used the same name.
To the poster who asked why it was hard to wash the lists: It isn’t hard at all. That’s how they obtained the list of addresses they do have, by washing their list and then seeing which addresses were missing. That’s why addresses not already on their list are still not getting spam attacks.
As to why a spammer would fight like this instead of complying: His competitors selling legitimate products can wash their lists and then send much more effective messages to the remaining people who don’t mind spam. The spammer could send things with subject headings that actually say what they are about, like “Sale on printer cartridges,” so that interested potential customers would actually look at them. As it is, they send a lot of spam, but the foolish people who might respond are probably having trouble finding the messages they would actually be interested in. If I were a sponsor of a legitimate business (at least one selling real products even if not too ethical to spam), I’d be looking for the BF compliant spammers, and willing to pay more per email to get the more productive results.
The only spammers who would be hurt by this those sending spams for illegal or fraudulent activities. They aren’t helped by being able to use real subject headings; what are they going to do, use one that says “Link to fake ebay site that will steal your personal info” or something? And BF forwards that stuff to law enforcement as well as the parties who can get their sites off the web before they haul in too many victims. They are the only ones who would lose out, and they are who we are fighting. Spam attacks are not intimidating; identity theft is.
As to the missing posts, remember you have to type in the confirmation code on the next page after you hit “submit comment.” And to those who designed the confirmation code page, who are obviously under age 40, it’s a bit hard for some of us humans to read the code, too.
May 4th, 2006 at 4:04 am
Kerry says:
The funny thing is, why would I ever want to buy a pile of crap from some idiot who can’t even spell. These spammers need to find a real job instead of just being losers who hide behind the anonymity of a computer screen. In the world of direct marketing, people send mail to “targets” who actually fit certain criteria. As a young woman, why the hell would I want to buy Viagra?
May 4th, 2006 at 4:28 am
JRB says:
Hello All,
I’ve got the frog haven’t received any of these threats.
Conclusion - The frog is working, the threat is just a load of shite.
So Everyone - When the site is live again download and install the frog.
To all spammers - you are scum, I hope you live out the rest of your pitiful life in agony :->
anti-demon
May 4th, 2006 at 4:39 am
JustAGuy says:
i must say, i don’t agree with the tactics the spammers are taking, although i understand where they are coming from. sure, its easy to just wash their list of people who obviously aren’t interested BUT wash it with what? a tool created by anti-spammers? how are they to trust that?
spammers will find their way around anything it seems. even bill gates thought spam would be a thing of the past in 2006 - he was wrong. spammers will just start spamming more things that don’t require a website to promote. then what?
also i highly doubt the actions of BS are totally honorable. if only one opt-out request is sent per spam, why is it enough to knock down websites? it makes me think that for every spam one individual recieves, EVERY user in the BS database sends an opt-out ‘complaint’, which to me seems illegal and no different than DDOS’ing or spamming. especially since they appear to use forged email addresses to do so. which also makes me wonder, what do they send to? if no opt-out is provided, how is a complaint that isn’t going to be bounced sent? what are the ‘complaints’ exactly?
in the end i think the worse thing the spammers could of done is send out these ‘threat’ emails. it only gets these people into an ‘us vs them’ mentalilty, in which people will pretty much support any kind of methods to ‘win’, regardless of what they are fighting for. i don’t know what the outcome will be but you can be sure it won’t be the end of spam, if its not these ‘lowlifes’ spamming you, it will be your ISP and other companies you have signed up with. believe me, they want to spam you just as much as anyone else. isn’t the internet great?
May 4th, 2006 at 4:48 am
JoeyJoJoShabado says:
i must say, i don’t agree with the tactics the spammers are taking, although i understand where they are coming from. sure, its easy to just wash their list of people who obviously aren’t interested BUT wash it with what? a tool created by anti-spammers? how are they to trust that?
spammers will find their way around anything it seems. even bill gates thought spam would be a thing of the past in 2006 - he was wrong. spammers will just start spamming more things that don’t require a website to promote. then what?
also i highly doubt the actions of BS are totally honorable. if only one opt-out request is sent per spam, why is it enough to knock down websites? it makes me think that for every spam one individual recieves, EVERY user in the BS database sends an opt-out ‘complaint’, which to me seems illegal and no different than DDOS’ing or spamming. especially since they appear to use forged email addresses to do so. which also makes me wonder, what do they send to? if no opt-out is provided, how is a complaint that isn’t going to be bounced sent? what are the ‘complaints’ exactly?
in the end i think the worse thing the spammers could of done is send out these ‘threat’ emails. it only gets these people into an ‘us vs them’ mentality, in which people will pretty much support any kind of methods to ‘win’, regardless of what they are fighting for.
i don’t know what the outcome will be but you can be sure it won’t be the end of spam, if its not these ‘lowlifes’ spamming you, it will be your ISP and other companies you have signed up with. believe me, they want to spam you just as much as anyone else. isn’t the internet great?
May 4th, 2006 at 5:04 am
Maarten says:
Like previously stated, when the money dries up, the spam will dry up too. Don’t by stuff from spam mailings and especially, spread the word to people who actually buy spamstuff! Everyone who reads this probably doesn’t, it’s the rest that has to be convinced.
Long live the frog and every spammers excuse to spam is another proof of their disrespect to other people.
Don’t be scared of the low-life spammers, they are just a rotten by-product of internet evolution. They will be eradicated, just like the plague. The frog is only helping to build the road to a spam free mailbox.
Like Darwin said: survival of the fittest! And since it is the spammers who have unhumane malfunctioning DNA, the inferiority of its kind will soon lead to its doom!
Spammers, dig your grave and dig it good, because you’ll need it soon!
The Frog kicks spam-ass!!!
May 4th, 2006 at 5:26 am
WEL says:
Note to Mark about AdAware/Spybot: suggest you run both, one after the other. Each catches most spyware, but the overlap isn’t 100% … each catches some that the other doesn’t. Between them, you’ll catch almost everything. SpywareBlaster also is useful, as it helps *prevent* spyware (it’s not a scanner). If you’re tech savvy, you can try HijackThis, but you need to know what you’re doing, as you can delete stuff you need with it (there are several sites online that will help interpret the HijackThis logs for you).
May 4th, 2006 at 5:46 am
Barb says:
Joey,
My understanding is that Blue first tries to contact the registered owner of the end website via Whois information to request that they or their emailers remove the addresses of people in the Blue community (who have specifically said that they do no wish to receive these promotions). If they cannot find the registered owner or the owner does not respond, they then send opt-out requests directly to the website involved via the order form on the site. I believe the opt-out requests simply asks the owner of the site to contact Blue and obtain a list of people who want to opt out and then wash their lists. They try to time the opt out requests so that the website is NOT taken down. They probably use a BlueSecurity email address so that the website owner can contact them.
I have compared my log of opt-out requests to emails that I have received and can verify that I have indeed received an unsolicited email pointing to that site.
I guess that they could just ask about 10,000 or 20,000 of us (out of their close to 1/2 million community users) to manually opt out using a copy and paste of who the owner should contact but that probably WOULD take the site down if we all did it at once.
Hmm. Now there’s a thought!
May 4th, 2006 at 5:49 am
nihaopaul says:
i’m waiting for bluesecurity to come back online so i can get a piece of the action, you guys go to war and dont tell anyone? shame on you! i’ve even setup crontabs to email me when their dns comes back online, thats how hungry i am for a piece of it.
Nihaopaul
May 4th, 2006 at 6:14 am
Barb says:
Nihaopaul - It really is a great service and I hope you have a chance to join. The more, the merrier!
Joey - interesting thought on your last paragraph regarding my ISP and other companies wanting to “spam” me. I’m sure they would love to but they also happen to be legitimate businesses. My ISP is Earthlink and, yes, they send me an email now and then. I guess the main difference is that I can comfortably opt out any time I want. If they didn’t respect that request, there are hundreds of ISPs that would and I could simply take my business elsewhere. With the spammers, if I personally try to opt out they just sell my verified email address to the highest bidder and I get more spam than ever.
I guess the main difference is that there are spammers and then there are legitimate marketers. I believe that the marketers will be the wave of the future and will run to a service like Blue in droves. The spammers, meanwhile, will eventually sputter and die out - one way or another. A Do Not Email Registry will eventually be effective, whether it is run by a business like Blue Security or a national government entity. People are just fed up with the nonsense filling their inboxes.
May 4th, 2006 at 6:43 am
Milek says:
I think spam problem has “deeper roots” as many other things.
It is not easy to fight them but I am not concerned about those small lowlife spammers. What I think is problem that lot of us “used on” spam so people start saying little spam doesn’t hurt me (which is completely wrong BTW). Time is passing because of our ignorance, then bigger (smaller) companies start making profit selling various anti spam solutions and now we will have also problem with them as well, as they do not want to lose profit….
The same goes for viruses. Can somebody guarantee that “virus producers” are not paid by AV companies? If there are no viruses - there is no profit for them. Profit dropping? - Release new virus…
The same goes for medicaments. If there were no ill people the pharmaceutical company would crash… what to say - sad very sad.
So if you think we should allow this then sit and do nothing but if you believe that humans are better than this than fight against any scam.
And again…
GO FROG GO!
May 4th, 2006 at 6:47 am
Brad says:
This is so funny it reminds me of Junior High School a big bad bully going to send me more spam if I don’t do what he thinks I should. I also remember getting fed up with bullies and knocking them up side their head a few times to remind them this isn’t going to happen any more because it isn’t funny and I’m not going to take it anymore. As bad as my spam is now how does he think he’s going to make it worse. All I have to say is bring it on well see who does what to whom. Brad
May 4th, 2006 at 6:54 am
JoeyJoJo says:
Barb, the idea of spammers selling remove lists is largely a myth. yes, there are scumbags who will sell these and try and make a buck but they are worthless. no one wants to mail to people who opted-out.
no matter if you like it or not, getting commercial emails about things you aren’t interested in is just a fact of life and will continue to be. if the hardcore spammers were gone, then people would complain about amazon, microsoft and the like. even microsoft has been guilty of breaking the laws in regards to email marketing in the past.
the main reason i said that was because these are the people who want to see spammers gone the most. they want email marketing for themselves without competition. they don’t like the fact that average people are making good money with email marketing. don’t be fooled, they don’t want to protect you, they just want 100% of the market.
under the can spam law there is nothing stopping people from sending you commercial emails as long as they follow the rules. these are legitimate marketers and they do get grouped in with the rest of the spammers. many spammers don’t obey these rules but they also don’t live where these rules apply. the united states is not the world.
if BS operates the way you say it does (which i highly doubt your description is totally accurate) then they must be giving fake credit card information or else the submitted form would not go through. how is that an opt-out request? the only reasons spammers are upset is not because you don’t want to recieve spam, its because BS’s tactics are knocking down their websites.
i use spam assassin to filter out the spam i get, it works great. if people are too clueless to set up spam filters then maybe they shouldn’t have your own domain in the first place.
May 4th, 2006 at 7:15 am
freecode says:
looking for bal31-
replied to you. Email me back.
freecode
May 4th, 2006 at 7:45 am
Anonymous says:
Can’t waaaaait for Blue Security to go back up.
Soooo many people have downloaded the frog. As soon as the
site’s back up, this war is over.
May 4th, 2006 at 7:52 am
Scott says:
For the problem with the spammer forging your e-mail address and you getting the bouncebacks, see http://www.openspf.org/.
May 4th, 2006 at 8:08 am
spaulsh says:
I installed the Blue Frog two weeks ago - that time I was receiving not so much spam - approximately 5 emails per day. This company promised to stop spam coming to my e-mail, but now I receive several times more spam, about 30 emails per day. It is a real problem using my email account now. I am very dissappointed with the result and have removed the Blue Frog today.
May 4th, 2006 at 8:24 am
spaulsh says:
I installed the Blue Frog two weeks ago - that time I was receiving not so much spam - approximately 5 emails per day. This company promised to stop spam coming to my e-mail, but now I receive several times more spam, about 30 emails per day. It is a real problem using my email account now. I am very dissappointed with the result and have removed the Blue Frog today.
May 4th, 2006 at 8:26 am
JohnH says:
Let me get this straight.
There’s a website, bluesecurity.com, offering an anti-spam product called Blue Frog. Spammers don’t like it and are apparently DDoSing the website.
There’s a website, bluefrog.com, which appears to be an ISP and has NOTHING AT ALL to do with bluesecurity.com. Just a naming coincidence, right?
May 4th, 2006 at 8:38 am
Resolution says:
I see two strong messages from this recent attack by the spammers:
(1) BlueFrog is having the desired effect. The spammers are now diverting some of their resources to fighting back which means less resources for traditional spamming. This is an increase in their costs and a decrease in their bottom line.
(2) The spammers have shot themselves in the foot. Nobody likes to be threatened. Even more important, incremental escalation is taken in stride, but sudden escalation gets noticed. If cigarette taxes increased ten-fold, a lot of people would quit immediately, but nickle-and-dime increases don’t cause dramatic change in behavior. The same is true for spam. We’ve all accepted the slow but steady increase in our spam counts, but if I’m going to suddenly get hit with ten-times the amount in an overnight increase, then that’s not going to make me lay low. That’s going to firmen my resolve to fight back. It’s also going to be immediately noticed by major ISPs and regulatory agencies because it will suddenly and drastically affect email services worldwide.
I think the spammers are going to suddenly get a lot more attention and they’re not going to like it! I’m not backing down. In fact, I’m even more ready to fight.
Bring it on!
TO THE SPAMMERS: You’ve already trained me how to live with spam, I can handle an increase… can you?
May 4th, 2006 at 9:28 am
John says:
haha spammer trolls trying to discredit the frog. No matter how much bad publicity you try to drum up it’s still publicity.
Thank you for your efforts.
The frog is effective a community of 500,000 people already know this and now thanks to you so do many more.
Just in case anyone is in doubt the registry of email addresses has not been hacked. This is just spam-boy propganda.
May 4th, 2006 at 9:41 am
Al says:
I’m currently getting the bluesecurity.com adress as resolving to 127.0.0.1, which looks like a clever way to turn the spammers denial of service back on themselves.
May 4th, 2006 at 10:24 am
SpamSlayer says:
GO FROG GO!
That should be our mantra from now on. I’m not a BlueFrog user yet (I developed other tools to bring my spam load down… SpamVampire and Refi Retaliator II), but when the site comes back up, you can bet I’ll sign up. Anything to make the lives of these internet criminals a bit more difficult.
For those wanting to download the BlueFrog, it’s still available from download.com. And for those not averse to taking more drastic measures against spammers, Google for my tools. The Refi Retaliator II is especially effective… just ask the world’s largest spammer, Alex Polyakov (you can Google for a sound file of him begging me to stop using it).
For the Blue Security people, keep up the good work. I think I know which spammer is performing these attacks, and I’ve got an idea that will definitively ascertain if I’m right. Contact me, and I’ll fill you in on the details. But be prepared for things to get ugly for a while… if I’m right about this, you’re dealing with one of the biggest scumbags in the world.
-SpamSlayer
May 4th, 2006 at 10:24 am
Al says:
I’m currently getting the bluesecurity.com address as resolving to 127.0.0.1, which looks like a clever way to turn the spammers denial of service back on themselves.
May 4th, 2006 at 10:24 am
MrEman says:
I’m saving all the spam messages in a separate folder on the server. When BlueSecurity is back on line, these bottom feeding rat-bastards are gonna get it BIG time. This is war.
May 4th, 2006 at 10:54 am
rob says:
I’m inlisting in this war! I just downloaded BlueFrog from a mirror site and I’m going to install it and fight back.
All you wimps that have uninstalled it are just bowing to extortion. Do you really think the spammer even knows you uninstalled? Do you really think they’ll stop spaming you?
BlueFrog isn’t a DoS atacker IMHO. I got a message that invited me to visit a web site. BlueFrog is just visiting for me. That’s how I look at it.
May 4th, 2006 at 11:00 am
John says:
Yup, all the spams I’ve reported in the last 3 days have been bounced back to me because of the DDoS attack on bluesecurity.com, so I’m doing what another mentioned above - I’m saving all spam in another folder to be reported later when bluesecurity.com is up and running again. Also, understandably, Fred can’t connect to the mothership… same reason. No problem… I’ll just wait until the spammers/hackers get tired.
John
May 4th, 2006 at 11:57 am
Undecided says:
Whee, 200 comments.
(sorry.
)
May 4th, 2006 at 12:13 pm
Sparky says:
Trusting the spammers to remove your email address if you uninstall blue frog is like trusting your wife to be safe with bill clinton.. no matter what happens your gonna get screwed
What we need is tougher laws regarding spam, I saw a really useful news story a while back about a spammer who had been beaten to death.. seems like a pretty effective method to me
Until then, Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam
VIVA LA FROGGIE!!!
May 4th, 2006 at 1:28 pm
Anonymous says:
http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20060504006094&newsLang=en
“PharmaMaster” is the bastards name.
May 4th, 2006 at 3:22 pm
Anonymous says:
Posted on the Main Blue Security Forum:
http://castlecops.com/f230-Blue_Security.html
Unfortunately due to the illegal actions against us and the massive DDoS attack, we are currently making some necessary adjustments on maintaining our facilities. Therefore, your Blue Frog will not post opt out requests in the next few days.
Please report your spam messages to us only after our service is back in full functionality.
Thank you again for your patience.
Moran Nir
Community Manager
BlueSecurity.com
May 4th, 2006 at 3:26 pm
JayG says:
Thank you, Moran, for the update. We’re all behind Belue Security!
Nail this guy’s hide to the barn door!
May 4th, 2006 at 4:28 pm
John says:
Thanks Moran. I’ll be ready when you guys are. Don’t stress - victory is our destiny.
John
May 4th, 2006 at 4:30 pm
Steve says:
It looks like the Frog is dead! I have been reporting Spam (500% increase in the last 3 days),but the website has been down and reporting hasn’t worked for the last 3 days! I’ve got 75 spam messages since yesterday (used to get only 4-5 per day)which when I report I get failed mail delivery messages back!
I want to use the frog but can’t. Please, someone kiss the frog and bring him back as the Prince he is!
One thing that bothers me - where do you guys get the time to read all these threatening messages?
Keep up the good work Froggers!
Steve - UK 05 May 06 01:53 hrs
May 4th, 2006 at 4:56 pm
lurkingknight says:
In january when I signed up to the Frog, I was getting from 15-30 spams a day. I decided to try the frog because sitting there and letting this garbage hit my mailbox day in and day out was getting me nowhere. All these so called ‘anti spam’ or ’spam prevention’ agencies tell us to not do anything, to not reply, not provoke and not get angry about spam in our mailboxes.
Let me tell these assholes this: I sat there for a year and watched spam go from 1 email a day to 30 a day. I did NOTHING, and see what happens. Fuck you people who tell us that inaction will put an end to spam.
Since joining the the Blue Security list, it took 3 months for tangible returns on the nospam registry. Prior to this act by the spammers, my spam had been reduced back to 3-5 a day.
I will not sit around with my entire arm up my ass to wait for spam to go away. I’m being proactive, and joining the rest of the people out there that are just as pissed off as me in fighting this garbage.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT, because we know it’s the right thing to do.
May 4th, 2006 at 7:07 pm
Joe says:
I’ve been with Blue Frog since inception and the amount of spam has gradually gone up. Today, like everyone else, I received hundreds of spams, inconvenient as hell. This is one time I may be fortunate to have a lousy ISP as I’m sure they are not monitoring DDOS by anyone. If you uninstall the frog then the trolls win.
May 4th, 2006 at 8:11 pm
Brendon says:
The spam threat is totally true for me. I am a blue frog member, received the same threatening spam email, and in fact my spam volume has increased to 50 per day up from approx 8. AND I am also now receiving bouncebacks as if i had sent emails to people! IT IS A NIGHTMARE! THIS IS NOT A JOKE!
May 4th, 2006 at 9:30 pm
Fordi says:
Mr. SpamSlayer:
I just got a listen to Alex’s audio, and I gotta say: That was beautiful! I have never heard anything so damned satisfying in my life! Also, if you get a notify on this guy’s ‘Global Opt-Out’ list (and it checks out), please let everyone know. Hell, you can spam me with it ^_^.
May 4th, 2006 at 9:56 pm
Dave says:
Since my spam has only increased as of lately,I was considering uninstalling the Frog, but since this has happened, I am going to hang in there because I get satisfation knowing that those spammers are getting slammed with opt-outs to the point that they attacked blue security. For that reason alone I am sticking with the product and will continue to use Blue Frog
May 4th, 2006 at 11:46 pm
duvell says:
I signed up with Blue Security at the very beginning when it was reported on slashdot. I never downloaded or used the client because they did not have a linux version at the time. So I had forgotten I signed up and never actively used the service.
This week I received dozens of the threatening warning spams, and many, many spams that appear to be linking to sites intended to discredit sites like Spamcop and, I assume, Blue Security. For example there is a link to sexsearch.com but it does not appear to have an affiliate referal ID. I think the tactic is to inundate select websites with spam reports for spam that was not sent by the site being advertised or any of its affiliates. I’m getting off topic.
Since I had not used Blue Security and I did not want to get in the middle of this, I logged in and removed the email accounts I had on my protected list.
It is no surprise and should not be to you but the increase in spam as well as the threats to Blue Security members have still continued. The point being even if you do as the extortionists ask they will still spam you with the same crap.
There have already been plenty of logical arguments pointing out why you should not give in but I had not read any of them when I removed my email addresses.
The up side of all of this is that I have become a Blue Security evangelist and convinced many friends and co-workers to join the cause.
May 5th, 2006 at 4:15 am
LKSA says:
I think it is so great that the spammers are so scared!!! All they have proven is how powerful the Frog is!! They want to talk about unethical? How about giving fake opt-out addresses? My solution is to get a disposable email address and sign up with blue security with it….then anything you get that goes to that address, you will know is spam. I have my email set up with filters that automatically places my various emails into its own folder. Then I don’t have to sift thru all that crap… GO FROGGY!!!!
May 5th, 2006 at 5:24 am
cyberscan says:
As people desparate to reclaim their inbox come up with innovative ways to do so, spammers are coming up with innovative ways to continue to pump out their crap while avoiding retribution from their victims. Like Spammers’ websites, Blue Security has a big weakness - their website.
Blue Security’s website presents a critical weakness - it presents a large target for attack. A solution for Blue Security is to step up their antispammer program while removing the main target for attack. This can be accomplished by using peer to peer protocols for distributing instructions to each computer running the Blue Frog program.
The way it would work is for Blue Security to create a file containing
instructions that direct computers running the Blue Frog program to complain to spamvertised websites at the correct time. This file should be cryptographically signed so as to make forgeries extremely difficult. Once this instructtion file is created and signed, it can be distributed by a peer to peer protocol such as Gnutella. The file name of the instuction files should have an unique beginning part as well as a creation date at the end of the filename and Blue Frog programs should stop redistributing and delete the old complaint instruction file when a new instruction file is downloaded and verified. Because each computer running the Blue Frog program will also redistribute this instruction file, there would be a massive number of targets too spread out for a D.D.O.S. Spammers will once again be forced to stop spamming Blue Security registered email addresses or face the consequences.
Spammers made a grave mistake in trying to bully me into stop using Blue
Security’s program. They have the unmitigated gall to knowingly send
threatening spams to users of Blue Frog. Do they not know that they would never make money by spamming people who are so fed up with spam to use the likes of Blue Frog? I guess it is a power thing to spammers to try to shut down anyone challenging their operation. Until Blue Security gets back up and running, here a few open source programs to use to fight back against the spammers.
SpammerSlapper http://www.plaza1.net/SpammerSlapper is a Java applet that repeatedly visits the websites of spammers. This applet requires network privileges in order to create web traffic to other websites, so that is the reason why it is signed. The Java source code is embedded within the applet archive so feel free to have a look.
SpamFryer http://www.plaza1.net/SpamFryer.jar is a stand alone Java Application that allows someone to type in the http:// or https:// URL of a spamvertised website and also set the number of repeated visits.
SpammerSlammer http://www.plaza1.net/spammerslammer.cgi is a cgi program that runs on my website. It creates real looking but fake information that can be entered onto order pages of spamvertised websites. The fake information is designed to pass just about every verification scheme, yet it is totally useless to the spammer. The credit card numbers that are generated are know to not work and do not belong to anyone, They are standard test numbers randomly selected from a list.
By sending me threatening messages, spammers have only made me angrier and strengthened my resolved to give them more of what they give to frustrated users. This anger is what made me come up with a near
bulletproof way of getting Blue Frog back up and running.
May 5th, 2006 at 5:49 am
OMAC says:
WOW! GREAT NEWS! (I think)…
After reading Duvells comment on Spams without referral IDs, I decided to look a little closer at the spams in my folder. I indeed found spams with links to websites that didn’t include any referral IDs. I will be deleting those on my own without reporting them to Blue Security.
But…the first one I clicked on WITH a referral ID I got this message :
“Your affiliate account has been deactivated for violation of our terms and conditions: Reason - Spam Complaints
We do NOT authorize the harvesting or collection of screen names from any ISP service for the purpose of sending unsolicited email, and will terminate without pay any webmaster determined to have transmitted bulk emails advertising any web sites marketed through this Program to lists gathered by such methods.
Your email marketing efforts are being reported to the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) for a full investigation and prosecution for violation of the CAN SPAM Act.
If you received an email with this affiliate attached to it please be assured that we are doing everything in our power to bring this spammer to justice. If you would like to contact us regarding this matter please call XXXXXXXXXXX”
I don’t know if this means that the spammer just entered a wrong ID on purpose or if his ID has been revoked, either way they are wasting their time since he is now sending out non-working spam.
May 5th, 2006 at 6:26 am
PsychoHazard says:
Someone should set up a bounty for the bastard who’s doing this. If everyone on the Do Not Intrude list alone chipped in US$5, the community could offer over US$2000000 for PharmaMaster to be brought in. He may pay his people well, but I doubt he pays them well enough to turn down that kind of money. Someone would turn him in.
Just my two cents.
May 5th, 2006 at 6:27 am
OMAC says:
Additional…
I started clicking through some of the spams WITH referral headers and found some more interesting stuff. Suffice it to say some of the websites are turning against the spammers. They are blocking referral IDs, asking for emails to be forwarded with headers intact and so on. This just keeps getting better.
May 5th, 2006 at 6:49 am
Just Another Frog says:
We don’t need to put the bounty out. Leave the referral ID in the URL and report away. No doubt a low life like this would be ratting out a former buddy with the ID he knew would not work. Let the end client have the spammers look each other up for us. I am sure they can find each other. Besides, what do we care if they got wrong or misleading inforamtion sent to them? They made the bastards, let them help clean up the mess.
May 5th, 2006 at 7:25 am
RoseD1 says:
I say we fight them back!Send them DOS attack LOL!That would be fitting now wouldn’t it!Any hackers out there got the guts?I dare you get them in return give it up for the good guys!Scum like these spammers and trolls make me sick!We cant back down now or the idiots win if they want war I say lets give it right back to em!
May 5th, 2006 at 8:34 am
Will says:
It looks like the BF site is coming back up. I can log in again and I am able to report from Hotmail and GMail. I still can’t e-mail reports to me@reports.bluesecurity.com yet though!
Go Blue!!!
May 5th, 2006 at 9:11 am
Ran Kailie says:
Yeah well Blue Security did take down Livejournal, Sixapart and various other sites:
Shady Internet Vigilantes take down Livejournal
When they started getting hit with DoS they forwarded their domain to their typepad account and took down SixApart and Livejournal with them.
I think their tactics are shady, and I don’t agree with them, but this just takes the cake for quasi illegal activities.
May 5th, 2006 at 9:15 am
David Johnston says:
At the time they redirected their traffic to their blog site, they though the spammer was only trying to knock out servers that they owned, not the rest of the internet. Dumb move, but not shady. SixApart isn’t blaming them for the attack, so why should you?
May 5th, 2006 at 9:38 am
Ar says:
Woot !! Blue is up, and i have reported 700 + spam as opposed to the 100-150 a day i do.
I see a lot of people who have negative stuff to say, but hey, this thing works.
I also added an abandoned email ac the day the DDoS against Blue began, and from the 1200+ spam a day, i am down to 770 today. I had given it up long ago, for the first time in years I have a glimmer of hope of reclaiming it.
Go Blue !!!
May 5th, 2006 at 9:48 am
rob says:
I guess you would blame the building maintainence folks at the World Trade Center for blocking the subway on 9-11-2001 too.
May 5th, 2006 at 10:03 am
Mark K says:
I was finally able to register my installation of Blue Frog. I knew you guys with the enginuity to come up with this great tool could come up with a way to thwart this concerted attack agains Blue Frog.
With a surge of excitement, I logged into my Gmail account and submitted my spam. Believe it or not, I enjoy getting spam now that I can do something about it!
Who cares if the scum bag spammers increase my spam. I’ll just end up with more spam to report!
May they drown in their own vomitous mass of spam.
Just imagine what will happen if the Blue Frog community grows to, say 10 million or more. I bet the companies who provide referral benefits to these spammers will certainly be forced to think twice about compensating spammers for advertising. If companies continue to support spam as a method of advertising, they will effectively be committing suicide for their internet servers! I simply love the thought of this.
May 5th, 2006 at 10:34 am
Wiley Johnson says:
I definitely noticed an increase in spam after recieving the threatening spam/e-mails, but GMail quickly caught on and started routing them into the spam folder, where I let Blue Frog do it’s thing on ‘em.
May 5th, 2006 at 1:05 pm
Fabio says:
A comment on a comment, if you do not mind.
Mister Aaron, Number one to comment (interestingly!) seems to be either very dim or very much part of the problem, rather than part of the solution.
So, please, if you are a spammer, just shut up. If you do not know what you are talking about, just shut up.
It is absolutely obvious to any honest person with a brain that spammers are terrifed by the blue frog. That alone is enough for me.
BTW, I haven’t received any intimidating e-mail, but I did see an increase in spam since Monday.
Keep up the good work, blue community, you have my blessing and you’ll get a donation from me as soon as I can find the donate web page back on-line.
I also invite everyone to support the blue community in any way they can come up with.
fb
May 5th, 2006 at 2:47 pm
Gerry says:
The Frog is back up!
All you small minded toe rags creep back into your slimey holes. The Blue Frog will beat the internet turd stirers. I am so happy boys and girls - rejoice with me.
May 5th, 2006 at 2:56 pm
Amature1 says:
Blue security almost back to normal. I have given Fred some time off with my explicit approval to go have fun and make some babies!
If less than half million Frogs can make the scumbags resort to this, think about what 10 million could do!
Of course, like others, I am storing all the spam, when Fred goes back to work, he is going to be hungry!
An open question for the scumbags: What do you fear the most, 10 million Frogs, or a visit from your Sponsors “Representatives”?
The battle is not yet won, and the end of the war may be very distant, but to quote Winston Churchill, “Give us the tools and we will finish the job”. We have the tools, it is the Blue Frog, now all that is required is heart, courage and dedication to the cause. Given that, we will prevail!
May 5th, 2006 at 4:43 pm
dave says:
To cyberscan
For the spam slapper, there is html code, but where do I dowload the jar file????????
May 5th, 2006 at 5:22 pm
Rob S says:
I love my Blue Frog!
May 5th, 2006 at 8:25 pm
Mark says:
I just signed up to the frog! What’s funny is the spammer who attacked Blue Security. He thought that he would be sending a threatening message to them and their users. But all he did was increase his user base. Talk about spitting in the wind! LOL!!!
Oh… to all of the spammers who’s been posting in these comments. A word of advice. You don’t need to mess with the Israelis. Bad things happen when you do that.
May 6th, 2006 at 1:37 am
dave says:
Here’s a new email I got from the spammer fu**
Dear Blue Frog Member,
As a follow-up to our previous emails, and, as promised, we are stepping up in
the fight against Blue Security.
The Blue Frog member email database has been compromised, and is currently being
distributed worldwide to spammers and to the public. Attached to this email,
you will find a zip file of the Blue Frog database, which includes your own
personal or business email address(es). If you have not uninstalled Blue Frog
yet, we highly suggest you do so now in order to avoid your involvement in this
war any further.
Leaving your email address on the Blue Frog list is a risky choice, as we will
uphold our promise not only to increase your spam by 20 times the amount you
are receiving now, but to continue to make this list publically available as
well. Also, as the Blue Frog member database is updated, we will find more
creative ways in which to use it, and frequently release it to whomever we
wish.
Blue Security, Inc
May 6th, 2006 at 11:08 am
David Johnston says:
The so-called “list” is already in circulation, so any damage this guy intends to do has been done. They are not going to stop spamming your email address if you remove yourself from the Blue Security list. The person who sent out this email has no way of enforcing that, even if he did plan on keeping his word. These are just empty promises.
I still haven’t received “20 times” the amount of spam I used to. I got one spam today in my most spammed account, and one yesterday in another account. I have been getting a fair number of returned mails from spammers using my address as the sender, but those are super-easy to filter out
May 6th, 2006 at 11:38 am
Milton E Findley says:
I am certainly not going to delete the Frog. I enjoy giving their stuff back to them. If they don’t spam me and my friends, we won’t request that they leave us alone.
What would an honest spammer do for a living anyway?
May 6th, 2006 at 1:49 pm
some1 says:
this post has been linked from the spammer’s haven www.specialham.com
That explains the spammers
May 7th, 2006 at 6:09 am
Mark Gatzke says:
I didn’t know what was going on when the attack started. I got a bunch of bounced emails from Blue Frog and figured it wasn’t worth the hassle if they were having problems, so I uninstalled the software. Then I got an email threatening me with more spam if I continued to use Blue Frog. That was enough for me to immediately reinstall it. Thanks, spammers! You should’ve just let it go.
May 7th, 2006 at 7:02 am
XWyldRogueX says:
Oh my…
Such blatant Bullshyt spouted by the spammers & thier supporters.
Obviously, BF is working it’s magic since all of you lame@sses are running around ‘pasting’ the same comments on blogs all over the net. If the system WASN’T WORKING, then we would not be ‘threatened’ by you guys HAHA.
If my post offends most of you, I do apologize in advance but I am tired of how most of you are letting thier lame@ss scare tactics drive you away from a system that does indeed work. Like was said in another post: “Get a backbone!” Stand up & shout back @these losers, don’t tuck your tail between your legs & scamper under the bed like a damn baby… geeez!!!
I await spams @my 30gigs account since I already know that the chickenshyts won’t accept my challege cause they already know that ‘Daddy don’t play games!’
That right, I came here to chew bubblegum or kick @ss….
…. & I’m all out of bubblegum…
BRING IT ON MFs, challenge me!! Challenge me!!
One last thing:
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Go Frog go!!
Bluefrog & Blue Security has a guardian angel “;)
May 7th, 2006 at 12:46 pm
anti pasti says:
First up I’d like to urge all you anti-spammers out there with decent broadband connections to load this page and leave it running: http://cncgamer.5gigs.com/index.html, it’ll run up the bandwidth costs for specialham.com a spammer forum
They’re telling people to come here and spout crap, it’s the least we can do as payback: http://www.specialham.com/specialham/m_36323/p_1/tmode_1/smode_1/tm.htm
For the spammers reading this, thank you for an evenings entertainment, I was going to watch “mad max” but doing this is so much more fun
I really glad I found the frog, since I’m the postmaster of a large site, and I’ve been trying, mostly without success, to get more spam into my spam traps. But since you’re now bombing the blue list, all I need do is get my traps on it, and I get loads of lovely spam. All the better to drive up my SA averages
Even better, they have a thunderbird extension, which is what I use for the postmaster and spam traps since Lotus Notes can’t hack the volume. IBM just laughed when we told them we were trying to run a postmaster account on it 
You’re all complaining that the frog is DDOS’ing you clients. I don’t care. If a few penis patch vendors, fake degree & rolex sellers and online pharmacies, etc. Go down, I’m happy. Sooner or later your employers may take the hint, and realise that perhaps there are better ways to aquire clients. Ones that enable them to stay online long enough to actually sell something.
But until then we’ll keep messing with you, if only because it’s a lot of fun
May 7th, 2006 at 3:17 pm
Frank says:
Fine, let ‘em increase my spam. It’s a mild inconvenience to have to make a few more clicks to delete it, that’s all.
Thanks to tactics like PharmaMaster’s, and the spammers’ courageous fight for their right to annoy complete strangers, I’ve installed the Frog, and told all my friends about it. Let ‘em keep spammin’ me.
‘Cause I’m just doin’ it to piss these guys off. You make a living being a pain in the ass, we have the right to be a pain in the ass right back.
May 8th, 2006 at 1:54 am
Dave says:
I recieved this email even though I don’t use BlueFrog or anything else from BlueSecurity. In fact all it did was inform me about BlueSecurity. Makes it sound like the spammer has a big random list of emails and they’re attacking everyone to cover the bases.
May 8th, 2006 at 2:47 am
Funny sh*t says:
this is the funniest web war i have ever seen. Good luck spammers your gonna need it.
May 8th, 2006 at 4:59 am
Just Another Frog says:
I have a bunch of email addresses registered with Blue. Not one threat has reached any of my e-mail addresses (even the ones that are not just spam traps). I wish I had been able to hear from the spammer. I feel left out. I also feel confident that the database has not been hacked because I haven’t seen anything. Yeah, a slight increase in spam, but not much at all.
On the downside, I guess the DDoS has been mildly effective, because my spam reports aren’t making it through consistently. Each chunk that does make it has enough to keep Blue happy, but I have a bunch that were bounced. I am saving them and waiting.
Go Blue!!!
May 8th, 2006 at 5:27 am
louis says:
dear all,
Blue Frog is perfect. I came in contact with it by Mailwasher and Spamcop.
I know what it is to have almost 900 spam a day.
Great, it works and we hit them. Ofcourse, not yet always big enough, but they are afraid. Otherwise they should not react like this.
These guys are thiefs and criminals. Only hardworking people don’t have the time to do so. And second, It is an Israelian work, so the world has always something to say about Israel. But, they don’t recognize the CREATOR of Israel. IT can take a while, but they will know to whom they are fighting.
Go on BF team!!!!
May 8th, 2006 at 1:27 pm
cyberscan says:
to Dave, you can download the SpammerSlapper.jar at
http://www.plaza1.net/SpammerSlapper/SpammerSalapper.jar
Dwonload it and change some html and you can host it as well.
May 8th, 2006 at 5:24 pm
Gumbo says:
I just love this discussion.
Spammers: wake up guys. The addresses I have registered with Blue Frog are already on your lists and being spammed anyway, and my personal e-mail has been going to other addresses for a long time now. So yeah, please, please send me more: it’ll all come back to you in the form of opt-outs, register listings, reports to agencies, anything bluefrog is capable of. Bring it on!
Go BF!
:-)=)
May 9th, 2006 at 4:00 am
mahangttia says:
Where did Mark/Laurie/Ronald/Killthem/SpamKing/Rick/Frank/Paul or whatever the hell his name was go?
The spammers were hoping for that mass exodus from Blue Security as a result of their hollow threats. Well… I just checked the statistics page on the website and the Frog is now protecting 521,950 email addresses. Thats up 50,000 from before the attack campaign.
Nice Going Spammers!!! Thanks for helping the community grow. Hopefully the community will be at 1 million addresses in the next couple of months as word continues to spread.
Go Frog Go!!!
May 9th, 2006 at 9:10 am
MileK says:
Only I can say…ha ha ha
This is new email from spammer:
BlueSecurity Important Update
——————————
You are being emailed because you are a BlueSecurity user.
Today, BlueSecurity database became known to worst spammers. Within 48 hours, the database will be published on the Internet, and your email will be open to a community of spammers. After this, you will see that spam to your mailbox increases 10 - 20 fold.
BlueSecurity was illegally attacking spammers, now spammers fight back!
REMOVE BLUE FROG FROM YOUR TRAY ASAP TO AVOID GETTING MORE SPAM!!!!
We, the spammers, have analyzed software of BlueSecurity, and found a lot of malicious code. This includes: ability to send mass mail to users. Ability to attack websites with Distributed Denial of Service attack (DDoS), and update functionality, which can install Trojan software on your computer and turn your computer into zombie.
BlueSecurity is using your computers to illegally attack sites including non-spam sites. They decide who is to be attacked today. And they have been noticed to attack many non-spam websites.
But now, attacked sites fight back. We are using their own database of users to send millions of spam messages to. You are one of these poor folks.
UNINSTALL BLUE FROG NOW!!!
You will ask how the Database leaked???
Its simple. BlueSecurity approach DOES NOT WORK. They have publish encrypted database for spammers, so they can remove emails from their lists, yet they can’t see the emails.
What BlueSecurity didn’t realize is that after you removed the emails, its quite simple to figure what emails were removed. How can BlueSecurity be so stupid??? I don’t know.
But after scanning 100 gigabytes of email addresses, we now have 99% of all BlueSecurity users. And guess what, they can’t do anything about that.
Because YOU CAN NOT ILLEGALY ATTACK PEOPLE and expect to continue operations.
As of today, BlueSecurity project is BUSTED. They will eventually shut their website. Because YOU HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO COMPLAIN.
The reason you will be getting A LOT OF SPAM is BlueSecurity.
REMOVE BLUE FROG. AND NEVER INSTALL IT AGAIN.
BlueSecurity lists a USA address as their place of business, whereas their main office is in Tel Aviv. BlueSecurity is run by a few Russian born Jews, who have previously been spamming themselves. They do not take money for downloading their software, they do not take money for removing emails from their lists.
How do you think they make money? We don’t know… But they could be
1.Using your computer to send spam themselves.
2.Hired to attack other sites
3.Asking for randsom after attack
They have no visible revenue stream, and 500,000 computers sitting there working for them. What are they doing?
Whatever it is UNINSTALL BLUE FROG, THEN GUESS WHAT THEY ARE DOING.
Many of other that we will receive.
For me uninstaling FROGY doesn’t make sense because I was already receiving SPAM. So spammers are you paying somebody to write this for you? That is cool, let others make money and you pay them
He he GO FROG GO!
May 9th, 2006 at 2:43 pm
Just Another Frog says:
OK Mr. Spammer Sir. The frog is gone from my tray. Please call off the vicious attack.
Awww, just kidding. Linux doesn’t have a tray, and I have a few servers running the frog as a daemon. Pucker up pal.
I just bought some V14Gr4 and I’m ready to fuck you good now.
May 9th, 2006 at 6:50 pm
Frogger2006 says:
Wait- not even ONE unsolicited email in my mailbox today? I’ve NEVER not had at least ONE unsolicited email!
Hey, where’s my 20 times more spam? I was promised 20 times more spam by these jokers, and I have not even one.
Way to go, Blue Security, stick it to these knobs!
May 10th, 2006 at 3:30 pm
InsaneWorld says:
Wasn’t spamming made illegal? So, aren’t these letters threatening to send spam to people who have opted out? Seems to me they’re very openly threatening an illegal act with obvious malicious intent. Lawsuit anyone?
May 11th, 2006 at 9:18 pm
jbenson2 says:
Last entry is #254 dated May 11.
It is now May 15.
What happened to all the messages during the 4 days?
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May 15th, 2006 at 6:49 pm
David Johnston says:
There haven’t been any comments in the past few days.
May 15th, 2006 at 7:02 pm
David Johnston says:
I think that Blue Security is trying to beef up its site so something like this DDoS doesn’t happen again.
May 16th, 2006 at 4:37 am
noel says:
its sad to hear that blue frog stopped its operations a while ago.
May 17th, 2006 at 3:20 am
OMAC says:
Holy crap, I can’t belive the spammers won. We were inches from victory too…
May 17th, 2006 at 7:09 am
Mark K. says:
Don’t give up Blue Frog. You have demonstrated that something can be done about spam. I trust your ingenuity to come up with an even better solution.
May 17th, 2006 at 8:34 am
JayG says:
I can’t believe it! Blue Security has given up and quit??? Is there no (legal) recourse for them to take? The terrorist have won?
I can’t believe that Fred is simply going to roll over and let them win. Something has to rise from the ashes!
May 18th, 2006 at 4:23 am
Sarah says:
What! They can’t give up yet! That can’t be right.
They have so many people who wants to fight on, who supports them in their battle and they quit? That’ll just prove to the spammers they can win.
All of that, for nothing?
Come on Blue Security! Fight on, what you’re doing is for the better!
May 18th, 2006 at 7:37 am
Rob S says:
It is a shame that the spammers have won, at least temporarily. A number of internet sources are reporting that Blue Security called it quits including:
The Washington Post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/16/AR2006051601873.html
Prolexic–the host Blue Security was using after the DOS began
http://www.prolexic.com then click on the link to the Blue Security news
Security Focus
http://www.securityfocus.com/news/11392
May 18th, 2006 at 9:00 am
Rob S says:
At first I thought that the internet posts were fake. Then I noticed that one of them had come from The Washington Post and then spied the article on Prolexic’s website–the actual DOS-preventing host that Blue Security was using before they gave up. Currently Prolexic’s website is down–I suspect the spammers are still attacking it, but luckily I made a PDF of the article on their site. Here is the text:
May 17, 2006
As we’ve detailed previously, Prolexic has been fending malicious cyber attacks from one or more criminal spammers attempting to
intimidate the firm, subsequent to Prolexic deploying its system to defend a recent customer. We can now reveal this customer to be Blue
Security.
Blue Security was our client since May 5th, and we successfully repelled several attacks against them since we started protecting their site.
We understand that once customers of Blue Security started receiving real threats of viruses/worms/DDoS/etc. attacks against them
personally, Blue Security realized that they were putting their customers in jeopardy by continuing the fight with the spammers. Not wanting
to escalate the war on their customers, Blue Security, understandably but regrettably, decided to exit the anti-spam business on May 16th.
Currently Blue Security has taken their site offline, to avoid themselves being responsible for any further attacks on their customers.
Whether you applauded Blue Security for taking the fight to the spammers, or criticized them for vigilantism, I’m sure you’ll agree that it is a
sad day when criminal spammers win.
Blue Security will be missed.
Darren Rennick
Chief Executive
May 18th, 2006 at 9:07 am
Rob S says:
More thoughts:
From the article on Blue Security at Security Focus I am guessing that one of three things happened:
Prolexic said no to Blue Security after it’s own servers got too heavily attacked–again I have no way to prove this AND.
Prolexic tried to charge Blue Security too much money to fend off the attacks.
The attack on Prolexic messed up too many of its other websites and so it booted Blue Security.
May 18th, 2006 at 9:14 am
Rob S says:
More thoughts:
Blue Security’s reasons for shutting down have been way to curt.
The only thing Reshnef, Blue Security’s founder, has said was that this was too big a battle to win. This is an odd change of face from what Blue Security has been saying since the attack by PharmaMaster began in early May.
Reshnef also mentioned that members were being too adversely affected by the PharmaMaster attack, but this is an odd statement given the support I have see for Blue Security on the web AND the fact that Blue Security’s membership INCREASED after the attack began.
I personally am more than willing to continue sending hundreds of emails every day to my Blue Frog so it can put in opt-out requests for me–that was the beauty of Blue Frog: it submitted the opt-out requests for me so I didn’t have to do it myself.
Every member of Blue Security, with few exceptions–from what I have read, was behind Blue Security.
Thus, I am guessing that one or more of the following ideas occurred to cause Blue Security to give up the fight (this is probably what is not being said on the news):
1) Prolexic–the company Blue Security was hosting with which purports itself to be able to withstand DOS attacks, said no to Blue Security after it’s own servers got too heavily attacked. Corporations are notorious for giving out useless information.
2)Prolexic tried to charge Blue Security too much money to continue fending off the DOS attacks. On another website (I forget where) the founder of Blue Security Eran Reshnef noted that fighting spam would cost $100 million and that a government should do it.
3)The attack on Prolexic messed up too many of Prolexic’s other websites. When customers start complaining companies start thinking about their bottom line: $$$.
4)A government, asked Blue Security to shut down because the attacks were causing too much trouble on the internet itself.
Apparently the spammer knocked out most of the internet in Canada and shut down many, many .org addresses. The spammer went after the DNS host of Blue Security and supposedly crashed millions–yes that is right–millions of websites due to his attacks (can you say FBI and Interpol anyone?).
It is not well known, but a fact, that if someone wants to perform a DOS attack–if the evil doer has enough resources–there is no way to stop them. They can–as has just recently occurred, shut down large, large portions of the internet.
Again, the above are just my thoughts, since no one is giving out any “real” details at Blue Security or Prolexic, but I suspect one or more of them occurred.
Since it looks like Blue Security is permanently gone I have been reporting my spame to the US Governments Federal Trade Commission at: spam@uce.gov
The above email address is designed to receive spam you don’t want then hopefully the US Government will take action on the spammers.
May 18th, 2006 at 9:57 am
Nora E. says:
I have been sending all my spam mail to the spam@uce.gov address since Blue Frog went down due to the DDoS attack. Hopefully now the governments out there will see how much damage these people can do, will get off their fat politician asses and sic their respective law enforcement agencies on them! Until then I’m going to encourage all my friends to deluge the spam reporting address with all their spam mail. It’s not much but as it stands it’s about all you can do.
May 18th, 2006 at 5:28 pm
SpamSlayer says:
Well, it looks like BlueSecurity.com didn’t have the ‘cajones’ to withstand the spammers’ attacks… that’s too bad, because I’ve found (through extensive experience) that spammers are, for the most part, cowards… hit them hard enough, and they run with their tails tucked between their legs, begging for mercy the whole way.
BlueSecurity said they didn’t feel that they had the right to bring their users into an all-out war with spammers… well, guess what… it already IS an all-out war. It has been for quite some time. And judging by the comments here, we’re all itching to get our turn to kick a spammer in the nuts.
So, I guess it’s back to using SpamVampire and Refi Retaliator II. That’s much more brutal to the spammers than the Blue Frog could ever be, but if that’s what the spammers want, that’s what they get… at least until a distributed version of Blue Frog is available that doesn’t rely upon a centralized server (and therefore is immune to DDoS attacks). BTW, SpamVampire and Refi Retaliator II aren’t susceptible to DDoS, because they don’t rely upon a central server. They’re harder to use (you have to know a bit of Javascript programming, but it’s not hard to learn), but much more effective.
I encourage everyone to use SpamVampire and Refi Retaliator II against the spammers bothering them… I’ve done it for the last couple years, and my spam receival rate is almost nothing, without filtering any emails.
May 20th, 2006 at 3:34 pm
potential soldier says:
too bad they gave up so early. yes they can get tons of botnets but how many more people who have joined the fight. anyone got a copy of the frog still?
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