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	<description>Independent Tech News and Product Reviews from former VP and head of CNET.com and Longtime Computer Shopper Columnist, Alice Hill author of the popular "Hard Edge" column. Originally named AliceandBill.com.</description>
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		<title>by: Canadia Money Advisor</title>
		<link>http://www.realtechnews.com/posts/2662#comment-394942</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 03:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>by: my hardware is mine</title>
		<link>http://www.realtechnews.com/posts/2662#comment-35323</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Wow this sounds like the early 90s copy-protection escalation wars.  Hmmm who will win: a few engineers and a roomful of marketing cronies OR an interconnected network of thousands of IQ 180+ people?  

The average guy will lose out, but then he doesn't want to have to learn anything new so he'll happily pay whatever the digital tyrants demand.  I on the otherhand like to watch my programs WHEN I WANT to watch them... and will do so on my terms, in my way, when I please.  And if I get prodded enough I'll educate others along the way.  

The draconian attitude is unwise, and historically unfruitful.

Yes, I'll continue to pay my subscription fees as I'm not suggesting outright piracy, but entertainment is supposed to be convenient to ME.



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow this sounds like the early 90s copy-protection escalation wars.  Hmmm who will win: a few engineers and a roomful of marketing cronies OR an interconnected network of thousands of IQ 180+ people?  </p>
<p>The average guy will lose out, but then he doesn&#8217;t want to have to learn anything new so he&#8217;ll happily pay whatever the digital tyrants demand.  I on the otherhand like to watch my programs WHEN I WANT to watch them&#8230; and will do so on my terms, in my way, when I please.  And if I get prodded enough I&#8217;ll educate others along the way.  </p>
<p>The draconian attitude is unwise, and historically unfruitful.</p>
<p>Yes, I&#8217;ll continue to pay my subscription fees as I&#8217;m not suggesting outright piracy, but entertainment is supposed to be convenient to ME.
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		<title>by: heldmyw</title>
		<link>http://www.realtechnews.com/posts/2662#comment-18167</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Mar 2006 23:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Might this work?

Run the HBO signal through an analog tuner.  

Put your PVR on the output of said tuner.  Granted, there will be a tiny bit of degradation going digital&#62;analog&#62;digital, but it should eliminate the problem of time shifting.  Analog devices don't capisce digital flags...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Might this work?</p>
<p>Run the HBO signal through an analog tuner.  </p>
<p>Put your PVR on the output of said tuner.  Granted, there will be a tiny bit of degradation going digital&gt;analog&gt;digital, but it should eliminate the problem of time shifting.  Analog devices don&#8217;t capisce digital flags&#8230;
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		<title>by: Eloi</title>
		<link>http://www.realtechnews.com/posts/2662#comment-12470</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The way I see it, any flags that are embedded will be ignored by any "hobbyist" systems -- thereby making them experience greater demand than the retail systems.  

OTOH, it seems to me that the best way to kill this legislation is to require that it also makes "commercial flags" a required feature as well, so that "parents can choose to not subject their children's impressionable minds to advertisements of products and/or information for adult use only." (nudge, nudge, wink, wink).   
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The way I see it, any flags that are embedded will be ignored by any &#8220;hobbyist&#8221; systems &#8212; thereby making them experience greater demand than the retail systems.  </p>
<p>OTOH, it seems to me that the best way to kill this legislation is to require that it also makes &#8220;commercial flags&#8221; a required feature as well, so that &#8220;parents can choose to not subject their children&#8217;s impressionable minds to advertisements of products and/or information for adult use only.&#8221; (nudge, nudge, wink, wink).
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		<title>by: Terry H</title>
		<link>http://www.realtechnews.com/posts/2662#comment-12291</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Just do without HBO....there will be some movie channel that will let us PVR folks record...so long HBO....Terry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just do without HBO&#8230;.there will be some movie channel that will let us PVR folks record&#8230;so long HBO&#8230;.Terry
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		<title>by: jeff</title>
		<link>http://www.realtechnews.com/posts/2662#comment-12183</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2006 05:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Is there anyone out there that doesn't believe that a hack for this won't be found within a few days of it going into effect?
Every single piece of software that has some kind of protection has been hacked!
Even the Genuine Windows cerification.

As for jb, the 90% of everything is crap, poster, please remember to give the credit to the creator of this. 
It is best known as "Sturgeon's Law" after Theodore 'Ted' Sturgeon, a great science-fiction writer from the 40's to the 80's.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there anyone out there that doesn&#8217;t believe that a hack for this won&#8217;t be found within a few days of it going into effect?<br />
Every single piece of software that has some kind of protection has been hacked!<br />
Even the Genuine Windows cerification.</p>
<p>As for jb, the 90% of everything is crap, poster, please remember to give the credit to the creator of this.<br />
It is best known as &#8220;Sturgeon&#8217;s Law&#8221; after Theodore &#8216;Ted&#8217; Sturgeon, a great science-fiction writer from the 40&#8217;s to the 80&#8217;s.
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		<title>by: John Ofthetown</title>
		<link>http://www.realtechnews.com/posts/2662#comment-12147</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2006 01:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Watch how fast people unsubscribe from HBO as soon as this starts. Can't record? Send me the DVD, Netflix or Blockbuster Online! In a few years most people won't watch TV on the network's schedule. And they won't pay for "in demand" when they can use a DVR for free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Watch how fast people unsubscribe from HBO as soon as this starts. Can&#8217;t record? Send me the DVD, Netflix or Blockbuster Online! In a few years most people won&#8217;t watch TV on the network&#8217;s schedule. And they won&#8217;t pay for &#8220;in demand&#8221; when they can use a DVR for free.
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		<title>by: Ed</title>
		<link>http://www.realtechnews.com/posts/2662#comment-12104</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2006 11:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>This is a no-brainer! For us, when HBO or other providers for which we PAY (stress "PAY") prohibit us from recording, we stop paying. In other words, we will discontinue our subscription for ANY provider that restricts recording what we pay for. It is absurd to expect people to pay for what they cannot watch!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a no-brainer! For us, when HBO or other providers for which we PAY (stress &#8220;PAY&#8221;) prohibit us from recording, we stop paying. In other words, we will discontinue our subscription for ANY provider that restricts recording what we pay for. It is absurd to expect people to pay for what they cannot watch!
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		<title>by: Ray</title>
		<link>http://www.realtechnews.com/posts/2662#comment-11981</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 22:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>OK...actually I think that there is a huge erroneous leap (from what is actually 'happening' to what is being 'inferred') going on here.  The "broadcast flag" (as I understand it) only does two things: 1 - It blocks digital HD content from being digitally recorded as HD (which is mostly what is happening already to those of us with the technology to do this), 2 - (and this is what all of the hub - bub is about) it down - converts (reduces the resolution) of all 720p, 1080i, and (eventually) 1080p signals (High Definition) to 480p (DVD quality) for the component (3 wire) analog video outputs on systems which use this mechanism for viewing HD.  

So, when the flag is on you will not be able to use your analog component video connections to record content in the same resolution as what you are watching it in (IF you are watching in Hi - Def). Instead, you only get lowly DVD - quality recordings (which, when re - up converted...something that many systems do already and most will do in the near future....looks nearly as good as the HD source material).

For those without HD receivers or who are recording using "S Video", "Composite Video", or RF Coax, you will still be able to record the program exactly as you can now.  Tivo, VCR's, DVD recorders, Windows Media Center, etc... should all work just fine with either a "standard def" source to standard def recording or (worst case) with a HD source to "enhanced def" recording....still not bad at all.

What we *won't* be able to do (when the flag is on) is grab HD content digitally (or by grabbing the analog signal and then compressing it ourselves....something that nobody can really do today *anyway*) and record it digitally *as HD*.  If we could, then the potential for "PERFECT" Piracy would exist ('perfect' because a 1080i or 1080p HD image is equal to the resolution that motion picture masters are recorded in today...get an HD copy of a movie on HBO and you can literally reproduce an image exactly as it was shown on the screen....*MOVIE THEATER* screen, that is!).

Don't get me wrong, I don't like this broadcast flag, either.  However, it's use (no matter how strict) hardly creates stranded investments in our current video recording systems (as I said, nobody can record analog HD content today anyway).  For those who *can* record HD digitally (a few people with HD Tivo's and even fewer with DVHS machines with special converters or cable boxes) today, the ability to record most HD content from movie channels and such was *never* available anyway...not due to the "broadcast flag" analog hole issue, but due to the current "no record" flag required on all HD - capable digital recording devices.

So it seems to me that while it certainly would be nice if the broadcast flag was not an option for broadcasters, it is hardly a case of "the sky is falling".

Just my own $0.02, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK&#8230;actually I think that there is a huge erroneous leap (from what is actually &#8216;happening&#8217; to what is being &#8216;inferred&#8217;) going on here.  The &#8220;broadcast flag&#8221; (as I understand it) only does two things: 1 - It blocks digital HD content from being digitally recorded as HD (which is mostly what is happening already to those of us with the technology to do this), 2 - (and this is what all of the hub - bub is about) it down - converts (reduces the resolution) of all 720p, 1080i, and (eventually) 1080p signals (High Definition) to 480p (DVD quality) for the component (3 wire) analog video outputs on systems which use this mechanism for viewing HD.  </p>
<p>So, when the flag is on you will not be able to use your analog component video connections to record content in the same resolution as what you are watching it in (IF you are watching in Hi - Def). Instead, you only get lowly DVD - quality recordings (which, when re - up converted&#8230;something that many systems do already and most will do in the near future&#8230;.looks nearly as good as the HD source material).</p>
<p>For those without HD receivers or who are recording using &#8220;S Video&#8221;, &#8220;Composite Video&#8221;, or RF Coax, you will still be able to record the program exactly as you can now.  Tivo, VCR&#8217;s, DVD recorders, Windows Media Center, etc&#8230; should all work just fine with either a &#8220;standard def&#8221; source to standard def recording or (worst case) with a HD source to &#8220;enhanced def&#8221; recording&#8230;.still not bad at all.</p>
<p>What we *won&#8217;t* be able to do (when the flag is on) is grab HD content digitally (or by grabbing the analog signal and then compressing it ourselves&#8230;.something that nobody can really do today *anyway*) and record it digitally *as HD*.  If we could, then the potential for &#8220;PERFECT&#8221; Piracy would exist (&#8217;perfect&#8217; because a 1080i or 1080p HD image is equal to the resolution that motion picture masters are recorded in today&#8230;get an HD copy of a movie on HBO and you can literally reproduce an image exactly as it was shown on the screen&#8230;.*MOVIE THEATER* screen, that is!).</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I don&#8217;t like this broadcast flag, either.  However, it&#8217;s use (no matter how strict) hardly creates stranded investments in our current video recording systems (as I said, nobody can record analog HD content today anyway).  For those who *can* record HD digitally (a few people with HD Tivo&#8217;s and even fewer with DVHS machines with special converters or cable boxes) today, the ability to record most HD content from movie channels and such was *never* available anyway&#8230;not due to the &#8220;broadcast flag&#8221; analog hole issue, but due to the current &#8220;no record&#8221; flag required on all HD - capable digital recording devices.</p>
<p>So it seems to me that while it certainly would be nice if the broadcast flag was not an option for broadcasters, it is hardly a case of &#8220;the sky is falling&#8221;.</p>
<p>Just my own $0.02, though.
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		<title>by: Metermax</title>
		<link>http://www.realtechnews.com/posts/2662#comment-11942</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I'm glad HBO is doing something this stupid.
I've been upset with them since I discovered they had started using 'copy once', and that my newly purchased Toshiba DVD recorder (2004) recognized it.  This meant that to time shift shows, I had to start buying dvd-ram disks.
Well, they cancelled Carnivale, so that tears the other excuse we used to subscribe to them.  Now this copy once thing.
Its obvious HBO wants you to buy their shows on DVD or whatever comes next, and use their *pay service* to advertise the content.  Good business for them, if they produce anything that's actually worth watching more than once.
I like PVR, but if the premium services drop my ability to time shift shows from satellite, I'm ditching that premium service.  If they all start doing it, that's the end of PVR.  I'm not paying for On Demand, period.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad HBO is doing something this stupid.<br />
I&#8217;ve been upset with them since I discovered they had started using &#8216;copy once&#8217;, and that my newly purchased Toshiba DVD recorder (2004) recognized it.  This meant that to time shift shows, I had to start buying dvd-ram disks.<br />
Well, they cancelled Carnivale, so that tears the other excuse we used to subscribe to them.  Now this copy once thing.<br />
Its obvious HBO wants you to buy their shows on DVD or whatever comes next, and use their *pay service* to advertise the content.  Good business for them, if they produce anything that&#8217;s actually worth watching more than once.<br />
I like PVR, but if the premium services drop my ability to time shift shows from satellite, I&#8217;m ditching that premium service.  If they all start doing it, that&#8217;s the end of PVR.  I&#8217;m not paying for On Demand, period.
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