September 6th, 2005
Something Awful Happens to Something Awful
By David Johnston
Contributing Writer, RealTechNews
Chances are that most people who use the internet to buy and sell services have at some point either used or thought about using PayPal as a method of payment. I myself have a PayPal account which I’ve used to pay for eBay auctions and server rentals, however the service has disappointed me personally so I’ve cut back on my usage of it. Unfortunately, the website Something Awful found out the hard way that PayPal can be a downright scam sometimes.
The basic gist of what happened is that Something Awful’s owner decided to help the victims of Hurricane Katrina by taking donations from his website. These donations all went to a PayPal account that he had set up and planned on using to donate the money directly to the Red Cross. The reason he took donations into his intermediary account, he says, is that “[he] could collect the names and addresses of each donor and send them some free Something Awful merchandise for their contributions.” Since Something Awful is a very popular website, the donations started pouring in and topped $30,000 in the first 9 hours. After that, PayPal caught on to the huge amounts of money flooding into the donation account and decided to freeze it. This locked the owner from using the account to either send the money to the Red Cross or accept any more donations. His plan was literally dead in the water.
The owner of Something Awful recognized that $30,000 flowing into an account in such a short time probably looks suspicious so this alone was not entirely uncalled for in his opinion (though PayPal didn’t warn him before freezing the account). The part where this story turns from unfortunate to ridiculous comes next when he tries to unfreeze the account and get the money to the Red Cross and the people suffering in the wake of Katrina. “I attempted to unfreeze my Paypal account by following their “six easy steps,” which included me faxing in photos of my driver’s license, recent bank statements, recent credit card statements, and a letter explaining I’m not a thief. I consider myself fortunate they did not ask for DNA samples, because the last time my wife caught me masturbating near the computer she almost divorced me. Unfortunately, the next step required made it literally impossible for me to unfreeze the $27,695.41 of donations so they could actually go to where people need them. Paypal was asking me to provide tracking numbers for DONATIONS. What am I supposed to send out? When did I ever say I was sending anything? How am I supposed to send it on Sunday? Where am I supposed to send it to? How exactly does Paypal’s “donation” system, which is the option I chose for SA’s Red Cross Relief Fund, work?”
The story doesn’t end there. Obviously the owner of Something Awful couldn’t send any proof of mailing any merchandise to the people who donated because there was nothing to send. He tried in vain to get in touch with an actual person at PayPal, but ended up having to find the number for their help line on the website PayPal Sucks since he couldn’t find it on PayPal’s official website. Unfortunately, it was a Sunday and after business hours so he had to fax this information to them. In the end, he did actually get a call back from the PayPal help center: “I was mad. The donators were mad. Some Internet news sites picked up the fact that Paypal was generally screwing over not only contributors, but the people in New Orleans who needed the relief funds. All the negative publicity caused Paypal to cave in and physically force one of their employees to actually pick up a phone and contact me.”
The person from PayPal explained about the suspected criminal behavior, but was generally unhelpful beyond the reason for the account being frozen in the first place. “I told the customer service representative that if they’re so paranoid about me being a criminal, they could directly take the money from my Paypal account, completely lock me out of it, and donate it themselves to the Red Cross. Unfortunately, this too was impossible! You see, Paypal has no direct affiliation with the Red Cross, which somehow means they can’t send money to them. Don’t ask me how that works; last time I checked, the Red Cross accepted money from anybody anywhere.” PayPal said they could only donate the money to the United Way which was unacceptable to the owner of Something Awful because of the large numbers of complaints about the United Way’s administrative costs and other blunders in the charity’s history.
Finally, he gave up on the charity idea and had PayPal refund everyone’s money. Luckily, they did agree to do this…for everyone who donated in US dollars. Apparently, everyone who donated money with something other than US currency could not have it refunded because of “conversion fees”. That sounds awfully fishy to me since I doubt that the conversion fees anywhere are 100% of the money you want to convert. Instead, all foreign money has now become property of PayPal, Inc.
There is an upside to this story, however. Another donation drive is planned after all of the refunds have been received, only this time the money won’t go through PayPal.
Read the entire story at Something Awful.













Joe says:
It is beyond civil comment.
September 6th, 2005 at 8:23 am
Mikey says:
Perhaps it’s time for PayPal to circle the drain. I believe that ANY organization that “keeps” disaster donations is very criminal. And whoever came up with that idea, well, they should see a little hardship themselves. Like maybe no food or water for a week. And three feet of water in their house. Or quite possibly community service in the area affected. No Money handouts should be ever be accepted from PayPal (from now on) over this, we should stick them with SERIOUS criminal charges. They deserve it for the short-sighted act of obvious theft that it is. These guys are not even a bank, they are a money laundering machine with their own arcane and unusual “rules”. It’s time for Paypal to pay the Piper.
September 6th, 2005 at 8:41 am
Omari says:
I don’t like PayPal either, but it’s the standard way to pay on eBay. Any suggestions for a non-Paypal way to pay on eBay?
September 6th, 2005 at 9:37 am
Alice says:
Wasn’t Google going to create a competing service?
September 6th, 2005 at 10:17 am
What To Fix says:
Katrina Internet Scams
Today my wife got a letter from Africa. Seems like there was this son of a famous industrialist.
September 6th, 2005 at 3:31 pm
Shadow says:
This is a quote from a June 28th article on the WSJ.com site: “Google Inc. this year plans to offer an electronic-payment service that could help the Internet-search company diversify its revenue and may put it in competition with eBay Inc.’s PayPal unit, according to people familiar with the matter.
Exact details of the search company’s planned service aren’t known. But the people familiar with the matter say it could have similarities with PayPal, which allows consumers to pay for purchases by funding electronic-payment accounts from their credit cards or checking accounts.”
Full text can be found at: http://online.wsj.com/public/article/0,,SB111905141149263168-uKFxsKiPCrP8NxCA_lJid2X_3FM_20050718,00.html?mod=blogs
September 6th, 2005 at 5:33 pm
Joe says:
E-bay needs to reconsider its position as to its affiliation with PayPal. Hopefully E-bay will read the article and the comments. I am also disappointed to see so few mentions of this disgrace on other websites. Good Job RTN.
September 6th, 2005 at 8:40 pm
Ed says:
Ebay’s affiliation with Paypal is beyond mere preference. Ebay owns Paypal lock, stock and barrel.
September 6th, 2005 at 10:17 pm
Larry says:
So let me see. If I offer a free IPOD shuffle for every donation that I get for $200.00 or more and that all donations after expenses will to directly to the red cross then people are going to rush to send me cash? Where DO I sign up? Sounds like a case of the naive (SA) leading the IQ challenged. Or is there some reason why these “donors” couldnt have given there money DIRECTLY to any one of the hundreds of legitimate charitable organizations listed on the FEMA website for example or their local church/synagogue/house of worship?
September 7th, 2005 at 8:53 am
David Johnston says:
And I quote:
“You people have raised $6,000 to buy toys for children with cancer and other fatal diseases. You donated $22,000 in armor plating for soldiers in Iraq. You even raised over $12,000 to buy a forum member a kidney when his failed and he was on critical life support.”
What makes this not a legitimate charity in your opinion. If people want to donate money to the cause, they shouldn’t *have* to give it directly to the Red Cross or another big name charity.
September 7th, 2005 at 4:26 pm
eltgetoudr says:
getdron
December 12th, 2007 at 9:32 am