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	<description>Independent Tech News and Product Reviews from former VP and head of CNET.com and Longtime Computer Shopper Columnist, Alice Hill author of the popular "Hard Edge" column. Originally named AliceandBill.com.</description>
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		<title>by: phentermine</title>
		<link>http://www.realtechnews.com/posts/1704#comment-26134</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 18:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;strong&gt;phentermine&lt;/strong&gt;

declinations!quaff incentives!terrorize roundness Macaulay Kitakyushu.phentermine http://phenterminehclhere.blogspot.com/ </description>
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<p>declinations!quaff incentives!terrorize roundness Macaulay Kitakyushu.phentermine <a href='http://phenterminehclhere.blogspot.com/' rel='nofollow'>http://phenterminehclhere.blogspot.com/</a>
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		<title>by: Steve in Seattle</title>
		<link>http://www.realtechnews.com/posts/1704#comment-24510</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2006 15:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I always love reading the words of the uninformed.  Alice, you clearly didn't do your homework, and you either lied or ignored the details of an Eco accident in your first paragraph!  The truth works.  Use it!

Arnold DID NOT almost die in an accident during a Speed Channel highway filming event.  He did in fact sustained some ugly cuts and bruises after being T-boned by a car, but made a meeting he had scheduled within a few hours of the accident.  That's the truth - and what you should have printed.

Furthermore, not only is the Ecomobile a complete success WITH THE PEOPLE THAT BUY ONE, but it's also one of the best overall engineered systems for the highway I've ever had the privilege of riding in.  

Criticize the Eco all you want and don't buy one.  This will guarantee your dissatisfaction with it since you will remain uninformed!  But tell the truth.  It works for the rest of us.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always love reading the words of the uninformed.  Alice, you clearly didn&#8217;t do your homework, and you either lied or ignored the details of an Eco accident in your first paragraph!  The truth works.  Use it!</p>
<p>Arnold DID NOT almost die in an accident during a Speed Channel highway filming event.  He did in fact sustained some ugly cuts and bruises after being T-boned by a car, but made a meeting he had scheduled within a few hours of the accident.  That&#8217;s the truth - and what you should have printed.</p>
<p>Furthermore, not only is the Ecomobile a complete success WITH THE PEOPLE THAT BUY ONE, but it&#8217;s also one of the best overall engineered systems for the highway I&#8217;ve ever had the privilege of riding in.  </p>
<p>Criticize the Eco all you want and don&#8217;t buy one.  This will guarantee your dissatisfaction with it since you will remain uninformed!  But tell the truth.  It works for the rest of us.
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		<title>by: Steve in Seattle</title>
		<link>http://www.realtechnews.com/posts/1704#comment-24509</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2006 15:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I always love reading the words of the uninformed.  Alice, you clearly didn't do your homework, and you either lied or ignored the details of an Eco accident in your first paragraph!  The truth works.  Use it!

Arnold DID NOT almost die in an accident during a Speed Channel highway filming event.  He did in fact sustained some ugly cuts and bruises after being T-boned by a car, but made a meeting he had scheduled within a few hours of the accident.  That's the truth - and what you should have printed.

Furthermore, not only is the Ecomobile a complete success WITH THE PEOPLE THAT BUY ONE, but it's also one of the best overall engineered systems for the highway I've ever had the privilege of riding in.  

Criticize the Eco all you want and don't buy one.  This will guarantee your dissatisfaction with it since you will remain uninformed!  But tell the truth.  It works for the rest of us.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always love reading the words of the uninformed.  Alice, you clearly didn&#8217;t do your homework, and you either lied or ignored the details of an Eco accident in your first paragraph!  The truth works.  Use it!</p>
<p>Arnold DID NOT almost die in an accident during a Speed Channel highway filming event.  He did in fact sustained some ugly cuts and bruises after being T-boned by a car, but made a meeting he had scheduled within a few hours of the accident.  That&#8217;s the truth - and what you should have printed.</p>
<p>Furthermore, not only is the Ecomobile a complete success WITH THE PEOPLE THAT BUY ONE, but it&#8217;s also one of the best overall engineered systems for the highway I&#8217;ve ever had the privilege of riding in.  </p>
<p>Criticize the Eco all you want and don&#8217;t buy one.  This will guarantee your dissatisfaction with it since you will remain uninformed!  But tell the truth.  It works for the rest of us.
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		<title>by: Jimmy</title>
		<link>http://www.realtechnews.com/posts/1704#comment-22550</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2006 13:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Why not just buy a convertible?</description>
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		<title>by: Julian Bond</title>
		<link>http://www.realtechnews.com/posts/1704#comment-2387</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2005 13:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.realtechnews.com/posts/1704#comment-2387</guid>
					<description>Doomed to fail? ~100 units is hardly a failure. As it happens I run a website and mailing lists for machines like this.
http://www.bikeweb.com
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/feet_forward/
Check it out.

Here's some more info.

For the last 30 years I've been involved with a group of people who follow a particularly left field branch of motorcycling. The basic belief is that motorcycling can still be fun without being quite so damn cold, wet and uncomfortable and that it can be made rather safer. We call the design "Feet Forwards" or "FF". I'll try and put it into terms that both motorcyclists and non-motorcyclists can understand. Start with the classic chopper riding position. Feet 
forwards, leaning slightly back with arms outstretched but relaxed as if you're sitting in a sports car. Now add a car seat back so that you're comfortable and don't get lower back pain. Then add an aerodynamic fairing and tail to keep the wind and rain off you. There's some echoes here with the recumbent bicycle movement. There are also echoes in Kaneda's bike from the Anime, Akira.

Now because many of the followers are engineers and also fast road riders, use the best suspension you can and investigate alternatives to telescopic forks, particularly hub centre steering. Add competition level brakes. So although we started with the chopper riding position, form follows function in a way that is totally at odds with the Chopper aesthetic where form is everything and unction 
above 55mph almost completely irrelevant. In fact FFers are pretty scathing of what they term "Motorised Bicycles". Even though 100 years of R&#38;D has produced some amazingly effective machines, they've evolved to be almost completely useless off the race track or custom show circuit.

For a long time if you wanted to ride an FF you had to build one from the ground up. There have been a few attempts to build production machines and the Quasar (30 units), Voyager (7 units), Ecomobile (100 units) and Dan Gurney's Alligator are good examples. But these are small volumes and most machines so far are one-offs, 
either completely custom or built by modifying existing motorcycles.

In the last 10 years the Japanese have started building large scooters such as the Honda Helix, Suzuki Burgman 400 and 650 and the Honda Silver Wing. Here at last are machines that are close enough to the end goal that it's possible to start thinking in terms of kits that can be used to produce an FF by somebody who can do a bit of DIY but can't weld.

In the last few weeks, the community has thrown up a prototype that is now really close to being a basis for such a kit. It's built on the Yamaha T-Max which is not available in the USA but is a 500cc twin with a CVT fully automatic gearbox and a top speed of around 110mph. We know it as the ComfortMax. It has a Volvo car seat back, aerodynamic GRP top box and an extended frame for forward foot boards. The seat back and top box are on a frame that allows these to be moved back and up to expose a passenger seat. What's particularly interesting about this for Make magazine is that the designs for the metalwork have all been published on the web
as PDFs. This whole project begins to look like Open Source hardware design.

Resources.
ComfortMax builder's website
http://www.angib.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/tmax/tmax00.htm
Build process description
http://www.angib.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/tmax/tmax01.htm

ComfortMax photos
http://www.bikeweb.com/image/tid/37
Comfortmax PDFs and description
http://www.bikeweb.com/node/856

Bikeweb
http://www.bikeweb.com A Drupal based community forum and image gallery for the 
FF community.
Image gallery
http://www.bikeweb.com/image

FF Mailing list
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/feet_forward/
428 members, 30,000 messages

QuasarWorld
http://www.quasarworld.plus.com/index.htm

Voyagers
http://www.hightech.clara.net/

Ecomobile
http://www.peraves.ch/ndexe.htm

Dan Gurney's Alligator
http://www.allamericanracers.com/alligator/alligator_home.html
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doomed to fail? ~100 units is hardly a failure. As it happens I run a website and mailing lists for machines like this.<br />
<a href='http://www.bikeweb.com' rel='nofollow'>http://www.bikeweb.com</a><br />
<a href='http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/feet_forward/' rel='nofollow'>http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/feet_forward/</a><br />
Check it out.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s some more info.</p>
<p>For the last 30 years I&#8217;ve been involved with a group of people who follow a particularly left field branch of motorcycling. The basic belief is that motorcycling can still be fun without being quite so damn cold, wet and uncomfortable and that it can be made rather safer. We call the design &#8220;Feet Forwards&#8221; or &#8220;FF&#8221;. I&#8217;ll try and put it into terms that both motorcyclists and non-motorcyclists can understand. Start with the classic chopper riding position. Feet<br />
forwards, leaning slightly back with arms outstretched but relaxed as if you&#8217;re sitting in a sports car. Now add a car seat back so that you&#8217;re comfortable and don&#8217;t get lower back pain. Then add an aerodynamic fairing and tail to keep the wind and rain off you. There&#8217;s some echoes here with the recumbent bicycle movement. There are also echoes in Kaneda&#8217;s bike from the Anime, Akira.</p>
<p>Now because many of the followers are engineers and also fast road riders, use the best suspension you can and investigate alternatives to telescopic forks, particularly hub centre steering. Add competition level brakes. So although we started with the chopper riding position, form follows function in a way that is totally at odds with the Chopper aesthetic where form is everything and unction<br />
above 55mph almost completely irrelevant. In fact FFers are pretty scathing of what they term &#8220;Motorised Bicycles&#8221;. Even though 100 years of R&amp;D has produced some amazingly effective machines, they&#8217;ve evolved to be almost completely useless off the race track or custom show circuit.</p>
<p>For a long time if you wanted to ride an FF you had to build one from the ground up. There have been a few attempts to build production machines and the Quasar (30 units), Voyager (7 units), Ecomobile (100 units) and Dan Gurney&#8217;s Alligator are good examples. But these are small volumes and most machines so far are one-offs,<br />
either completely custom or built by modifying existing motorcycles.</p>
<p>In the last 10 years the Japanese have started building large scooters such as the Honda Helix, Suzuki Burgman 400 and 650 and the Honda Silver Wing. Here at last are machines that are close enough to the end goal that it&#8217;s possible to start thinking in terms of kits that can be used to produce an FF by somebody who can do a bit of DIY but can&#8217;t weld.</p>
<p>In the last few weeks, the community has thrown up a prototype that is now really close to being a basis for such a kit. It&#8217;s built on the Yamaha T-Max which is not available in the USA but is a 500cc twin with a CVT fully automatic gearbox and a top speed of around 110mph. We know it as the ComfortMax. It has a Volvo car seat back, aerodynamic GRP top box and an extended frame for forward foot boards. The seat back and top box are on a frame that allows these to be moved back and up to expose a passenger seat. What&#8217;s particularly interesting about this for Make magazine is that the designs for the metalwork have all been published on the web<br />
as PDFs. This whole project begins to look like Open Source hardware design.</p>
<p>Resources.<br />
ComfortMax builder&#8217;s website<br />
<a href='http://www.angib.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/tmax/tmax00.htm' rel='nofollow'>http://www.angib.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/tmax/tmax00.htm</a><br />
Build process description<br />
<a href='http://www.angib.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/tmax/tmax01.htm' rel='nofollow'>http://www.angib.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/tmax/tmax01.htm</a></p>
<p>ComfortMax photos<br />
<a href='http://www.bikeweb.com/image/tid/37' rel='nofollow'>http://www.bikeweb.com/image/tid/37</a><br />
Comfortmax PDFs and description<br />
<a href='http://www.bikeweb.com/node/856' rel='nofollow'>http://www.bikeweb.com/node/856</a></p>
<p>Bikeweb<br />
<a href='http://www.bikeweb.com' rel='nofollow'>http://www.bikeweb.com</a> A Drupal based community forum and image gallery for the<br />
FF community.<br />
Image gallery<br />
<a href='http://www.bikeweb.com/image' rel='nofollow'>http://www.bikeweb.com/image</a></p>
<p>FF Mailing list<br />
<a href='http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/feet_forward/' rel='nofollow'>http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/feet_forward/</a><br />
428 members, 30,000 messages</p>
<p>QuasarWorld<br />
<a href='http://www.quasarworld.plus.com/index.htm' rel='nofollow'>http://www.quasarworld.plus.com/index.htm</a></p>
<p>Voyagers<br />
<a href='http://www.hightech.clara.net/' rel='nofollow'>http://www.hightech.clara.net/</a></p>
<p>Ecomobile<br />
<a href='http://www.peraves.ch/ndexe.htm' rel='nofollow'>http://www.peraves.ch/ndexe.htm</a></p>
<p>Dan Gurney&#8217;s Alligator<br />
<a href='http://www.allamericanracers.com/alligator/alligator_home.html' rel='nofollow'>http://www.allamericanracers.com/alligator/alligator_home.html</a>
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		<title>by: Lockergnome's Tech News Watch</title>
		<link>http://www.realtechnews.com/posts/1704#comment-2330</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2005 00:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;strong&gt;Doomed to Fail: The Ecomobile Car/Motorcycle Hybrid&lt;/strong&gt;

If you thought the Segway bombed, wait till you read about the "Ecomobile." Part motorcycle and part car, this doomed vehicle sports an $80,000 price tag, almost killed the developer in a highways test, and to put the icing on the cake, was described...</description>
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<p>If you thought the Segway bombed, wait till you read about the &#8220;Ecomobile.&#8221; Part motorcycle and part car, this doomed vehicle sports an $80,000 price tag, almost killed the developer in a highways test, and to put the icing on the cake, was described&#8230;
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		<title>by: rog</title>
		<link>http://www.realtechnews.com/posts/1704#comment-2313</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2005 14:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>$80k for a motorcycle?  Wouldn't a Boxer be as much fun and you could put the leftover $30k towards car insurance?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$80k for a motorcycle?  Wouldn&#8217;t a Boxer be as much fun and you could put the leftover $30k towards car insurance?
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