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Tuesday, October 19, 2004

Issues Heating Up With the New TiVo DVD-Rs
First, to your left is a sample of the new UI for the Humax DVD TiVo unit that just came out at the very attractive price point of $399 after rebate. (Am I kicking myself around the block for not waiting? Answer: yes!)

Now for the controversy. Over at PVRBlog, they are seeing red over the fact that you cannot burn DVDs if you use the Home Media option. Here is an excerpt:

"TiVo need to put in GIANT RED LETTERS a disclaimer regarding using DVD-R TiVos and Home Media feature: DISCLAIMER: While you can view content recorded on a standard Series2 TiVo on a TiVo with DVD burning functionality using the TiVo Home Media function, you CANNOT burn this content to a DVD. I imagine that there are other people are going to purchase a DVDR enabled TiVo assuming that this would work. It doesn't and neither TiVo, Humax, or Pioneer have been very upfront about this."

Another PVRBlog person commented: "This has nothing at all to do with DRM. Nothing in the least. It is technical. I've had an 810H for a year, and I've talked to people at TiVo about this a few times. The issue is simple. Standard TiVos do not record in a DVD compliant format. The MPEG settings are different, and the audio encoding is wrong as well. The units would need to transcode the content, and that's beyond the capabilities for the HW to do reasonably."

And Bill says: This is why things like TiVo have never really been on my radar. We have worked out 99% of these incompatibilities already on computers, yelled down Microsoft's intent to bring them back up again in Media Edition, and already have a stable platform for doing almost anything TiVo can do. By God, you retire a computer and instead of giving it to your cousin, stick a TV tuner on it and instant TiVo+. You want more recording time? Stuff a larger hard drive in there with no hassles. Create DVDs? Sure, even Dual Layer if you want, with a DVD burner. Heck, you can use the computer side of your "CiVo" to edit your captures so they trash all the commercials. What is the matter with you people? We had this whole big multimedia thing 10 years ago when the idea was absolute Ka-Ka and everybody jumped on it. Now that we really can do it, what happens? "TiVo.. TiVo... TiVo...." Youre absoluetly nuts. I have 6 computers running 24/7. Anywhere from 4 to all 6 record TV shows, depending on what's happening any particular day or week. (If you read Alice's post last week, you can actually just run 6 tuner cards in just one PC but that technology is post me.) And I have one-click capture scheduling from an online TV Listing host. FOR FREE!!! I've burned 400 or 500 DVDs with clean TV clips or movies. Is there something here that a TiVo can do that I'm missing?

--More from PVRBlog


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Hey Bill - how bout an article explaining what hardware/software/hammers you use to get the pvr working correctly on your puters??? Especially which online service you use for scheduling, size you record at, etc...give us details 8o)

BTW - for anyone who actually bought TIVO or REPLAY - how can you justify the cost of the unit, and then another cost just to have the service..hahahha..thats like saying you can donate Alice and Bill, but you will also be REQUIRED to donate more every month. (Down Bill, down...this is NOT a good idea..LOL)



 
I have 3 DirecTV TiVos, they cost me $99 each!
For an extra $140 I got 2x 120gig maxtors to put in two of them and one of the 40gig tivo drives was added to the 3rd.
this comes to 2 TiVos with roughly 110 hours of recording time and one with 70 hours.

I added a few pieces of software to each and a client for my PC and I download the shows to my PC.

Between the 3 units, my wife and I make 30 to 40 DVDs in a week.



 
Simplicity is what TIVO does best. I bought it, I plugged it in, I'm good to go. It never crashes. DVR for Dummies.

I have a spare computer with a Rage 128 video card, but I need your links, please. Who's got the time?

But ultimately, yes, I intend to leave TIVO in the dust if possible. Paying $12.95 a month while they're selling my viewing information is kind of like paying extra for recycling.



 
Well, I am a beyond huge TiVo fan (in case you can't tell) and I own a Happague card and so on but I never use it (even though I do long for a six tuner system and giant multi screen video wall.) Bill sits in front of PC all day and so do I, but when I want to relax I sit in front of my GIANT TV and kick back with TiVo.

True, I can hook up my Media Center HP if I want to (and I don't), but the point is, I just like the ease of TiVo and the UI and way it works as a product. It fills a gap in my technology life that yes, I should be saying the PC can do, bit for whetever reason it just stays central to me.

I do agree with Bill though - if you want to go the DVD route (which is why I bight my tuner card and all that) then a PC is better, but the Humax is low enough to even make that unnecessary.



 
Humax $399 after $100 rebate. Then $299 for life of the machine Tivo catalog. Total of $698. And then you hope that a company that's never made a profit will stay in business long enough for you to break even.

Or you can build a dedicated PC for the same or less. Hey Bill, when's your detailed article about your PC Video system coming out?



 
Which one, rg? I have three WinTV systems, 2 Matrox G400TV systems (running under ME!), one ATI AIW 9000 system, and a lonely old Compro Personal Video system. ;-)

One of the WinTV systems has 120+250+160+160+120+120MB (is that 930MB?) storage. Can that much fit in a TiVo? It's powered by an overclocked P4 Extreme but that's sort of overkill. (The two 2.6GHz PCs do just fine.)



 
Dude... I'm amazed. Unless you've invested some nice buck$ on the late$t and greate$t DVD bruners, you spend 10 - 14 hours per week burning DVDs? Let's see, 168 hours in a week, less 49 hours for sleep, 5 hours for eating (if you're quick), 2 hours for going to the can (ditto), 40 hours for work, 2.5 hours for commuting time, 2.5 hours to get groomed and dressed, that leaves what, 7 hours per day for family stuff -if you don't shop, walk a dog, or watch any TV?


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